Kurti: Bush lies to Kosovo Albanians

Speaking objectively, and certainly not agreeing with any actions which could lead to war, it does seem that Kurti is right.

At least he has the dignity to not take Bush at face value and believe the hype.

And he's right about the ongoing international presence - why be ruled by the EU instead of being part of the EU?

The only difference is that I believe this should be as part of Serbia, albeit in a very autonomous form.

the albanian situation reminds me of a quote from the Rambo soundtrack..."Its a long road, when youre all alone"...The illegal drive to steal Serbian Kosovo & Metohija is OVER

Now that is quite an interesting fact - Albin Kurti is questioning the US false promise - the US popularity is begining to slip ! But dont blame Bush it was Clinton, Holbrooke et al who took the Lobby money and gave false promises!

Well its like this the promise was never theirs to give and as such it remains undeliverable.

Without a new UN resolution the possible EUMIK administration must work withing the bounds of 1244 i.e. Serbia's Soverignity is continued and as such Staus Quo makes the biggest come back of all - so much for them saying status must be decieded very sooner - reality is this must and has to have Serbian agreement - hence why the negotiations will continue.

Illegal declarations will always remain illegal and the legalist EU know they could never do what the US huffed and puffed about in pretence. This was all face saving while they worked out an exit or should I say false blame strategy & they can blame it all on the 'dastardly' Russians who blocked their plan - oh those pesky Ruskies it's all their fault that we could not deliever on the false promise we should not have promised in the first place. Ah but then I guess Clinton's mind was preoccupied putting behind him blue dresses and was concentrating on other false promises and wooing of his next acquaintences!

Albin Kurti, a genius in many ways...a retard in many ways.

He just told u all what will happen. However, the EU will NEVER take over without the UN. Its NOT possible. Any other countries with troops or diplomats will be invaders and should be captured and prosecuted accordingly. No one has the right to interfeer in countries internal affairs if they are not invited by that governement and the peple they represent. Resolution 1244 will see to it that no matter what your status is, it will never be independence.

"Even if the European Union replaces the United Nations, Kosovo would still be controlled by international powers"

Yes Albin, Kosova will be ruled by the western powers and THANK GOD FOR THAT.

The presence of the EU mission in Kosova will help secure our independence and will gradualy help facilitate and accelerate Kosova's eventual membership in the EU.

EU IN - Serbia OUT

Maybe Bush did lie, indeed. I doubt that any independence will take place soon. However, even if Kosovo and Metohija gain independence it is very unlikely that they will have any seat in UN, and for the EU joining I am certain it will never happen.

In my opinion EU will never take any muslim country in its family. It is clear that EU is working in muslim's isolation from EU. Turkey will never join, Albania too. Bosnia will be divided for sure in order to concentrate all muslims living in one part of Bosnia. Kosovo is over 90% muslim. This order makes easier for EU and USA to control these regions. Maybe I am wrong about this scenario but makes sense. I cannot understand why otherwise they create purely muslim states.

teni: "He is standing by it, as is your government by the way. Maybe you should make your "objective" views known to them by protesting in front of Nr. 10?"

There's no need to protest because I know that London will follow whatever the Bush administration is pushing.

Nick KS, look the EU has replaced the UN and NATO in Bosnia and Bosnia is in last place to join the EU. Given that Bosnia is in a much better state then Kosovo the EU ruling Kosovo would make it even longer to achieve EU membership.

miri - "Just so you understand Kate; What Kurti wants is the other extreme as opposed to your extreme "autonomy""

Yes, I get that, which is why I said "The only difference is that I believe this should be as part of Serbia, albeit in a very autonomous form."

Kate,

"There's no need to protest because I know that London will follow whatever the Bush administration is pushing."

- not after the latest debacle that Nu Labour have got themselves into. I doubt they want to get in even deeper water by underming the UN its Resolutions and international norms and laws.

The UK is not going to puts its extra boots where its mouth is and send more UK troops - I very much doubt it after the humiliation in the Lords by all the retired Generals. UN underminig actions such as ripping up 1244 would require the UK to act and support and it cant. As for NATO it has far more pressing issues too want to destabilise the Serbian province - remeber there were 50,000 troops back 1999 and they remain legitamised by 1244 and there is no way that they can remain under a Illegal declaration. OSCE has already highlighted that they are mandated by 1244 via Serbia's consent and have given a bluff warning that it must not be removed - but why not if the US wont respect UN laws that they formulated, agreed and signed! OSCE Officia concerned http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/26/europe/EU-GEN-Belgium-OSCE-Kosovo.php#end_copy
Reality is starting to sink in that acts against 1244 have many predictable consequences.

Brown is in no position domestically with crisis after crisis to be the US poodle without creating another crisis. Imagine the backlash when this all goes pear shape because of ill-thought out analysis of the inevitable and predictable consequences as well as unpredictable. The policy the US have huffed and puffed about as they know only too well will produce the total opposite consequences - it is flawed. They insist such a flagrant abuse of the UN will bring peace and stability when we all know it will create the greatest instability to all sovereign UN members not just in the Balkans!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

Just so you understand Kate; What Kurti wants is the other extreme as opposed to your extreme "autonomy", thus the middle ground compromise is supervised independence as suggested by UN envoy Mr. Ahtisaari. Kurti has his own rights to express his own opinion, however such radicalization will not serve his purpose or the purpose of the people of Kosova.

Can any body tell me why this guy was jailled by serbian forces and why he is still alive until all the other who were jailed by them were crucified and killed?

Alas a few years in a Serb jail does strange things to a man and that seems to be the case with Kurti too. If K-Albanians were to follow his vision for Kosova we would end up with a very stupid and impossible situation, turning our back on the International Community and all. But suggesting the impossible is also Kurti's strength: he never has to explain how his grand visions would work in practice, how he would get the economy working, preserve the new state's independence from a Serb military intervention etc. As a good populist he knows only how to criticize the mistakes of others, without ever suggesting a sensible solution to anything himself.

Kate: If it is your opinion, or mine or whoever it can never be objective. We are all too biased here. The only guy who could ever offer an opinion coming close to being objective is Peter Syduka.
As to your comment: the idea is that Kosova will be supervised by the EU until ready for the EU, and not ruled by the EU. And that EU supervision is very positive indeed since we have to build a country from scratch. Then no one is taking Bush at face value; we are simply holding him to his word and until now we have had no reason to complain. He is standing by it, as is your government by the way. Maybe you should make your "objective" views known to them by protesting in front of Nr. 10?

The man is smarter than I initially gave him credit for.

Last time I chacked A.Kurti had 80 people in his last demonstration..So he is absolutely nobody ,and his ideas are non-sense and not articulated.
Kate,
when I see you that are not serbian(at least you believe that people think you are not),that makes me fight even more for right couse ,Kosova independence .

It's interesting how Kurti's words resemble so much and are cheered bu Serb and pro Serb hardocre nationalists.

Extremities always come together! (if proofs are needed)

"last time I chacked A.Kurti had 80 people in his last demonstration.."

last time i heard of him was when you guys told us 55% of Albanians didn't vote in elections because albin told them to boycott :)
which is it, guys. does he have a following of 80 or 800,000 people :)

Kate you think that Kurti is right!!!!
Kurti get used to live in prison, he is ASTATIC person.

"Given that Bosnia is in a much better state then Kosovo the EU ruling Kosovo would make it even longer to achieve EU membership.
(Yaroslav, 27 November 2007 17:06)"

Agreed. Bosnia today is also in a much better position than what the grand plans Serbia had for Bosnia. I am talking about places such as Srebrenica.

Being last to enter the EU beats being under Serbia, I have places such as Racak when I talk about this. Thus I would take EU supervision any day, rather than Serbian "supervison". The difference is like day and night. The Serbs by "suoervision" mean their VISION for them to cleanse Albanians out of Kosova/o and for them to have that land as a SUPER nation that they perceive themselves to be.

i've met albin K twice, the first time in a formal interview context, the 2nd informal. i respect him greatly -- he's quite brilliant -- and he suffered horribly under captivity. he was tortured as were the others, but he's a tough cookie and the spotlight was on his case. believe me, it wasn't because of a nice, sympathetic attitude on the part of the blgd regime. the intl community kept him alive, and eventually pressured the regime to free him. but yes, i believe he is scarred, it would be impossible to go thru such circumstances and not be.

bush did not "lie" (this time) about independence, nor have ceku or thaci. but as to an exact date, it is not so simple. other "experts" personally assured me that indepedence was a forgone conclusion this past summer, and even before that. i think we underestimated the power and intrasigence of russia (putin)and the equivocation of the eu. and despite the suggestions of some posters, the US has been less than consistent and unwavering in its backing for immediate independence.

this having been said, i am positive that independence is just around the corner. i'm quite sure that the other side will both minimize and attack it in every way imaginable, when it does come, but it is coming soon. soon after dec 10th. and yes, you can archive this and quote me on it...

And George Bush has lied to the U.S. public so why wouldn't he lie to us,” Kurti said.

Does any other comment really need to be said??

Now i don't like Albin Kurti but he knows the deal but people don't want to believe all of these poster wishful thinking will go down the tubes after December 10th. Albin knows it but other people don't want to believe. Everyone will be pissed off and Serbia will be laughing. Oh well December 10th is right around the corner.

Can somebody clear something up for me??

Where and when was the postponement called for?
If there WASN'T a postponement called, why would B92 print up somebody's rantings and ravings?

How genuine is his statement..

As far as promises and such...that's a whole other issue.
Let's clarify first.

Thanx..

"Kurti is currently under house arrest in Priština after organizing a demostration there in February which left two people dead"

Translated: Kurti organised a demonstration, and occupation forces shot at it, killing two people and injuring over 80.

I think mr. kurti is a localist. Things dont fall from the sky. This is not 1800's. There still is Int'l community even though they disagree at times.
He has to know that things are more complicated then he wants to admit. His idea is, bypass everyone and declare independence. He forgets what the circumstances were and how did the US and NATO get involved in Kosova/o.

i have much respect for mr. kurti and at the same time i think he has a tendency to lay it on a little thick at times when it comes to his rhetoric. i wish he would reign in his comments slightly or at least rephrase them because i believe sometimes he does more damage then good. him being under house arrest by the pristina gov't is evidence of his excessive tongue and actions. we've come too far to shoot ourselves in the foot especially now that the "finishline" is in sight.
he and his organization have done a lot for albanians and that's why i and other albanians still revere him as a patriot but he needs to be careful because public opinion can alter itself in a hurry.

"Even if the European Union replaces the United Nations, Kosovo would still be controlled by international powers"

Yes Albin, Kosova will be ruled by the western powers and THANK GOD FOR THAT.

The presence of the EU mission in Kosova will help secure our independence and will gradualy help facilitate and accelerate Kosova's eventual membership in the EU.

EU IN - Serbia OUT

Speaking objectively, and certainly not agreeing with any actions which could lead to war, it does seem that Kurti is right.

At least he has the dignity to not take Bush at face value and believe the hype.

And he's right about the ongoing international presence - why be ruled by the EU instead of being part of the EU?

The only difference is that I believe this should be as part of Serbia, albeit in a very autonomous form.

Can any body tell me why this guy was jailled by serbian forces and why he is still alive until all the other who were jailed by them were crucified and killed?

Albin Kurti, a genius in many ways...a retard in many ways.

Can somebody clear something up for me??

Where and when was the postponement called for?
If there WASN'T a postponement called, why would B92 print up somebody's rantings and ravings?

How genuine is his statement..

As far as promises and such...that's a whole other issue.
Let's clarify first.

Thanx..

Kate you think that Kurti is right!!!!
Kurti get used to live in prison, he is ASTATIC person.

Just so you understand Kate; What Kurti wants is the other extreme as opposed to your extreme "autonomy", thus the middle ground compromise is supervised independence as suggested by UN envoy Mr. Ahtisaari. Kurti has his own rights to express his own opinion, however such radicalization will not serve his purpose or the purpose of the people of Kosova.

Alas a few years in a Serb jail does strange things to a man and that seems to be the case with Kurti too. If K-Albanians were to follow his vision for Kosova we would end up with a very stupid and impossible situation, turning our back on the International Community and all. But suggesting the impossible is also Kurti's strength: he never has to explain how his grand visions would work in practice, how he would get the economy working, preserve the new state's independence from a Serb military intervention etc. As a good populist he knows only how to criticize the mistakes of others, without ever suggesting a sensible solution to anything himself.

Kate: If it is your opinion, or mine or whoever it can never be objective. We are all too biased here. The only guy who could ever offer an opinion coming close to being objective is Peter Syduka.
As to your comment: the idea is that Kosova will be supervised by the EU until ready for the EU, and not ruled by the EU. And that EU supervision is very positive indeed since we have to build a country from scratch. Then no one is taking Bush at face value; we are simply holding him to his word and until now we have had no reason to complain. He is standing by it, as is your government by the way. Maybe you should make your "objective" views known to them by protesting in front of Nr. 10?

the albanian situation reminds me of a quote from the Rambo soundtrack..."Its a long road, when youre all alone"...The illegal drive to steal Serbian Kosovo & Metohija is OVER

Last time I chacked A.Kurti had 80 people in his last demonstration..So he is absolutely nobody ,and his ideas are non-sense and not articulated.
Kate,
when I see you that are not serbian(at least you believe that people think you are not),that makes me fight even more for right couse ,Kosova independence .

It's interesting how Kurti's words resemble so much and are cheered bu Serb and pro Serb hardocre nationalists.

Extremities always come together! (if proofs are needed)

Now that is quite an interesting fact - Albin Kurti is questioning the US false promise - the US popularity is begining to slip ! But dont blame Bush it was Clinton, Holbrooke et al who took the Lobby money and gave false promises!

Well its like this the promise was never theirs to give and as such it remains undeliverable.

Without a new UN resolution the possible EUMIK administration must work withing the bounds of 1244 i.e. Serbia's Soverignity is continued and as such Staus Quo makes the biggest come back of all - so much for them saying status must be decieded very sooner - reality is this must and has to have Serbian agreement - hence why the negotiations will continue.

Illegal declarations will always remain illegal and the legalist EU know they could never do what the US huffed and puffed about in pretence. This was all face saving while they worked out an exit or should I say false blame strategy & they can blame it all on the 'dastardly' Russians who blocked their plan - oh those pesky Ruskies it's all their fault that we could not deliever on the false promise we should not have promised in the first place. Ah but then I guess Clinton's mind was preoccupied putting behind him blue dresses and was concentrating on other false promises and wooing of his next acquaintences!

"Kurti is currently under house arrest in Priština after organizing a demostration there in February which left two people dead"

Translated: Kurti organised a demonstration, and occupation forces shot at it, killing two people and injuring over 80.

I think mr. kurti is a localist. Things dont fall from the sky. This is not 1800's. There still is Int'l community even though they disagree at times.
He has to know that things are more complicated then he wants to admit. His idea is, bypass everyone and declare independence. He forgets what the circumstances were and how did the US and NATO get involved in Kosova/o.

"Given that Bosnia is in a much better state then Kosovo the EU ruling Kosovo would make it even longer to achieve EU membership.
(Yaroslav, 27 November 2007 17:06)"

Agreed. Bosnia today is also in a much better position than what the grand plans Serbia had for Bosnia. I am talking about places such as Srebrenica.

Being last to enter the EU beats being under Serbia, I have places such as Racak when I talk about this. Thus I would take EU supervision any day, rather than Serbian "supervison". The difference is like day and night. The Serbs by "suoervision" mean their VISION for them to cleanse Albanians out of Kosova/o and for them to have that land as a SUPER nation that they perceive themselves to be.

i've met albin K twice, the first time in a formal interview context, the 2nd informal. i respect him greatly -- he's quite brilliant -- and he suffered horribly under captivity. he was tortured as were the others, but he's a tough cookie and the spotlight was on his case. believe me, it wasn't because of a nice, sympathetic attitude on the part of the blgd regime. the intl community kept him alive, and eventually pressured the regime to free him. but yes, i believe he is scarred, it would be impossible to go thru such circumstances and not be.

bush did not "lie" (this time) about independence, nor have ceku or thaci. but as to an exact date, it is not so simple. other "experts" personally assured me that indepedence was a forgone conclusion this past summer, and even before that. i think we underestimated the power and intrasigence of russia (putin)and the equivocation of the eu. and despite the suggestions of some posters, the US has been less than consistent and unwavering in its backing for immediate independence.

this having been said, i am positive that independence is just around the corner. i'm quite sure that the other side will both minimize and attack it in every way imaginable, when it does come, but it is coming soon. soon after dec 10th. and yes, you can archive this and quote me on it...

Maybe Bush did lie, indeed. I doubt that any independence will take place soon. However, even if Kosovo and Metohija gain independence it is very unlikely that they will have any seat in UN, and for the EU joining I am certain it will never happen.

In my opinion EU will never take any muslim country in its family. It is clear that EU is working in muslim's isolation from EU. Turkey will never join, Albania too. Bosnia will be divided for sure in order to concentrate all muslims living in one part of Bosnia. Kosovo is over 90% muslim. This order makes easier for EU and USA to control these regions. Maybe I am wrong about this scenario but makes sense. I cannot understand why otherwise they create purely muslim states.

Nick KS, look the EU has replaced the UN and NATO in Bosnia and Bosnia is in last place to join the EU. Given that Bosnia is in a much better state then Kosovo the EU ruling Kosovo would make it even longer to achieve EU membership.

He just told u all what will happen. However, the EU will NEVER take over without the UN. Its NOT possible. Any other countries with troops or diplomats will be invaders and should be captured and prosecuted accordingly. No one has the right to interfeer in countries internal affairs if they are not invited by that governement and the peple they represent. Resolution 1244 will see to it that no matter what your status is, it will never be independence.

miri - "Just so you understand Kate; What Kurti wants is the other extreme as opposed to your extreme "autonomy""

Yes, I get that, which is why I said "The only difference is that I believe this should be as part of Serbia, albeit in a very autonomous form."

teni: "He is standing by it, as is your government by the way. Maybe you should make your "objective" views known to them by protesting in front of Nr. 10?"

There's no need to protest because I know that London will follow whatever the Bush administration is pushing.

The man is smarter than I initially gave him credit for.

Kate,

"There's no need to protest because I know that London will follow whatever the Bush administration is pushing."

- not after the latest debacle that Nu Labour have got themselves into. I doubt they want to get in even deeper water by underming the UN its Resolutions and international norms and laws.

The UK is not going to puts its extra boots where its mouth is and send more UK troops - I very much doubt it after the humiliation in the Lords by all the retired Generals. UN underminig actions such as ripping up 1244 would require the UK to act and support and it cant. As for NATO it has far more pressing issues too want to destabilise the Serbian province - remeber there were 50,000 troops back 1999 and they remain legitamised by 1244 and there is no way that they can remain under a Illegal declaration. OSCE has already highlighted that they are mandated by 1244 via Serbia's consent and have given a bluff warning that it must not be removed - but why not if the US wont respect UN laws that they formulated, agreed and signed! OSCE Officia concerned http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/26/europe/EU-GEN-Belgium-OSCE-Kosovo.php#end_copy
Reality is starting to sink in that acts against 1244 have many predictable consequences.

Brown is in no position domestically with crisis after crisis to be the US poodle without creating another crisis. Imagine the backlash when this all goes pear shape because of ill-thought out analysis of the inevitable and predictable consequences as well as unpredictable. The policy the US have huffed and puffed about as they know only too well will produce the total opposite consequences - it is flawed. They insist such a flagrant abuse of the UN will bring peace and stability when we all know it will create the greatest instability to all sovereign UN members not just in the Balkans!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

"last time I chacked A.Kurti had 80 people in his last demonstration.."

last time i heard of him was when you guys told us 55% of Albanians didn't vote in elections because albin told them to boycott :)
which is it, guys. does he have a following of 80 or 800,000 people :)

And George Bush has lied to the U.S. public so why wouldn't he lie to us,” Kurti said.

Does any other comment really need to be said??

Now i don't like Albin Kurti but he knows the deal but people don't want to believe all of these poster wishful thinking will go down the tubes after December 10th. Albin knows it but other people don't want to believe. Everyone will be pissed off and Serbia will be laughing. Oh well December 10th is right around the corner.

i have much respect for mr. kurti and at the same time i think he has a tendency to lay it on a little thick at times when it comes to his rhetoric. i wish he would reign in his comments slightly or at least rephrase them because i believe sometimes he does more damage then good. him being under house arrest by the pristina gov't is evidence of his excessive tongue and actions. we've come too far to shoot ourselves in the foot especially now that the "finishline" is in sight.
he and his organization have done a lot for albanians and that's why i and other albanians still revere him as a patriot but he needs to be careful because public opinion can alter itself in a hurry.