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Friday, 06.07.2007.

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Kosovo important to U.S. and Russia

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Sean McCormack said that the UN is still working on a draft for the Kosovo resolution.

Izvor: FoNet

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Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

I agree with Luciano, that serbia has owned Kosova for 95 years, actually they ruled it with iron fist but that is all on history books now. Kosova will rule itself and physicaly has been seperated since June 1999. End of story.
Russian soldiers can come only if new resolution is in place for supervised independence.

Kolja Schroder

pre 18 godina

Regarding Teni's comment that "Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned."

What happened was the 1980s, and a decade of Albanian nationalist rioting in Kosovo.

In 1983 the SFRY League of Communists told Serbia to ammend its constitution to take over law enforcement and the judiciary in Kosovo.

In 1986 the Serbian government, under the leadership of Ivan Stambolic, established a commission to amend the Serbian constitution.

In 1989 the Kosovo Assembly, which had a majority of Albanian deputies, appoved the amendments to the Serbian constitution.

After the Kosovo and Vojovodina Assemblies had approved the changes, the Serbian assembly approved them and the new constitution was in force.

I should also add that the amendments to the Serbian constitution had the full support of the government of the SFRY.

I know that Teni is implying that Kosovo's autonomy was stolen by Serbia, but that isn't what happened.

Joe

pre 18 godina

Luciano,
A check for 100B from the EU. Not bad. Too bad that you did not propose it to Tadic before his trip to Brussels. I would have loved to be there as an invisible man when Tadic proposed it to Barosso. But as you know people in Brussels just love Serbia and are very eager to comply with wishes of Belgrade. So it would be worthwile to try it.

Canadien

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi you would do well to read the link provided below by the BBC so that you have a clear idea just who the Russians are! Why is it so hard for you to understand that you do NOT have independence because of RUSSIA and Serbia? Your comments about how poor and weak Russia are ridiculuos. If most Albanins share your views how do you ever expect to run a country? Slovenia said they are not interested in supporting unilateral recognition yesterday and today Montenegro said the same, and when you review the link I have included here you will also see that sooner or later Macedonia will say the same as well as Croatia, its a question of economics and security. Look at the the link and see how much France and especially Germany depends on Russian energy. Do you people every read or research anything? Or do you just get your info from Pristina cafes? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457038/html/nn2page1.stm

luciano

pre 18 godina

Russia is the most important country in Europe whether Americans like myself like it or not and no infantile declarations by commentators here is going to change that fact.The Serbs and Russians have the rule of law on their sides and this is why the legalist Europeans have backed themsleves into a corner by insisting on a UNSC Resolution.The EU should write a check for $100B to Serbia and be done with it.Only thieves want something for nothing.Serbia has owned Kosovo for the past 95 years so if the EU wants it then pay up.Money talks-B......walks.

Zoran

pre 18 godina

I see Ahmet is still in his time capsule, you are on your own there. Russian peacekeepers? The Russians are saying it is not a good idea, they did not say no, never. Russians never show their hand prematurely. The trade deficit with Russia is mostly because of energy imports and Serbia pays below market prices for that most basic need, if that is imperialism then so be it.

james

pre 18 godina

As much as I decide not to post comments, I cannot but write when I read stuff like "Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where" and "US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on".

There is nothing true to the above statements. Only someone without any clue about all these events can go ahead and allow himself to make such ridiculous claims. What is worst even some more moderate posters when faced with irrefutable facts restore to this kind of ridiculous claims. And in the end you see this type of behavior manifest even on government officials and even church leaders that go around the world to rant about Kosovo Albanians being Islamic terrorist and what not.

Do you realize at all how ridiculous anyone making this claims sounds and looks like? Do you realize that you have switched name calling Kosovo Albanians so many times that at one point even the western politicians were confused and could not tell with whom you were having problems only to realize that all the separatists, irredentists, counterrevolutionaries, capitalist remnants, fascists remnants, terrorists, Islamic terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists and what not were all the same. Doesn't this strike you as odd?

Please understand that despite many years of these and similar ridiculous claims made by the officials of the Serb government as well as supporters of the Serb stance, none of these claims turned out to be true. Consequently, today the common Serb citizen is so much mislead about this issue that it considers it to be true and looks upon it as another hypocrisy on West behalf when it deals with Serbia regarding Kosovo. This look down and ignorance towards the Albanians in Kosovo is very prevalent, not only in the comments on this site, but as well as on the higher up's of the Serb government. It is this total ignorance of the Kosovo Albanians that has brought your country into the position that it finds itself today with respect to the Kosovo issue (with its climax being the NATO led air campaign against Serbia). This has blinded your minds and your leaders minds and therefore none of you were able to approach the issues that divided you and Kosovo Albanians in more constructive way in the past and certainly by the looks of it you wont be able to be realistic and constructive in the present and in the future.

I am amused to celebratory end euphoric comments that interpret the current diplomatic stalemate as a victory for Russia and Serbia, failing to realize that independence is being considered as the final outcome no matter whatever happens next. Even Russia is signaling that they don’t oppose independence, if they could use this solution for their own interests (territories in Georgia as one example). Additionally, what many here fail to realize is that West, that is US and EU, are not talking anymore about finding a solution that will take into consideration the interests of Serbia, but instead are more increasingly speaking about a resolution that will satisfy Russia. Serbia is on the sideline, and it is sad to see that Serb officials have accepted this, and the common people of Serbia have accepted to be mislead and to believe that Russia will protect their interests (perhaps this is another exit strategy set by Serb leaders so when Kosovo issue is settled they can go out in front of their people and blame the Russians this time).

Just to remind you in 2006 there were around $2.45 billion dollars in trade between Serbia and Russia, with a trade deficit hugely in favor of Russia (maybe those who comment on this site how Serbia chose to fight the West imperialism, only to succumb to another form of it, which is even worst in my humble opinion, should think again when making such claims). I wonder how much longer Serbia can keep up with this and who is going to pay for all this (certainly not the people running the current Serb government)?

PB

pre 18 godina

As each day goes by, it seems less and less liekly that Kosovo will become independent (even though i, as a serb, are in favour of partition). The EU who seemed inititally to support Kosovo's independence no matter how it came about, their position has shifted subtly. Even the US rhetoric recently has become very quiet. Is this the calm before the storm or is it a realisation that they can't circumvent UN law without setting a precedent for future conflicts?

I'm sure that the US will be very happy for the status quo to remain as it is as they have achieved their main objective - to secure control over Kosovo via UNMIK and NATO. As long as they can maintain a madate to be in Kosovo, independence for Kosovo will remain a distant dream whilst Serbia and Russia oppose it, and in the meantime the US can develop it's Bondsteel base.

kate

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi - Are you saying that most Albanians in Kosovo, as well as everyone else, do not want more war? I am certain that primarily people just want to live safely and in peace, and build a future for their children within Europe.

Your complete denial that Kosovo remains a legal part of Serbia, and the overall refusal to think how the highest level of autonomy will work if that's the only avenue offered, does nothing for any of the people in Kosovo.

It certainly is time to move on peacefully and teach tolerance and progressive views to the next generation. Whether independence is attained or not, this is still the case if you wish to integrate within a modern multi-ethnic Europe. The same is true for Serbia as well, and we have seen moves recently which illustrate that the government are changing things from the top downwards.

Things can change quickly if they are led from a progressive government.

Princip, UK

pre 18 godina

US seem to backing off even more in the words of McCormack - looks like they realise that empty promises are empty gestures and only lead to dissapointment so it's best not to raise false hopes!

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Kate , you can speak on behlaf of serba but in way on behalf of K-Albanians. How inthe world you can say; out of 2 milion many are prepared to move forward without independence. If you are speaking for serb I beleive you, but please don't make a fulll of yourself to speak for Albaians.
P.B. What Kosova state company, You are welcome to KOSOVA and you will be able to see it with your own eye, unles you are color blind(everything will be in black and white).

teni

pre 18 godina

There is an old Albanian saying that would translate as something like this: when you burn yourself with hot soup you blow on youghurt too. This sums up the opinions of the Kosovo Albanians on Serb rule. Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned. Why should they now agree to let the Serbs to come back? Kostunica's rhetoric after all does not really inspire any confidence on the Albanians. Add to this a parliament where the Radicals control approximately 30% of the seats and you can all kiss goodbye any hopes of the Albanians agreing to go back to Serbian rule.
And Kate the KLA is stronger and better prepared then during the 1998 - 99 conflict. This however does not mean they would be able to face Serbia in pitched battles of a conventional kind, but believe me they would not just sit idly by or welcome the Serb army in. There are other ways of fighting too and I am afraid the long term result would be an extreme radicalisation of the Albanians of Kosovo. And as for the resolve of the population: well once you have tasted freedom is hard to go back.
And Kate: it is shameful when young men attack an old man regardless of their ethnicity. What I disagree with is the light in which it was portrayed, i.e. Albanians attacking Serb. In any rural societies there are plenty of conflicts of this kind over land, grazing rights and what not, and it might very well be that the guy just hapenned to be a Serb. How many Serb farmers are beaten by other Serb farmers I wonder?
And even if the "young thugs" as you called them attacked the old man because of his ethnicity, they were arrested weren't they?
Two days ago a Serb farmer in the Presevo valley fired his gun at Albanian villagers. No one really reported it in the Albanian press, although B92 did. Why? Because this sort of incidents are always gonna happen in any country in the world, however peaceful the population.

albano

pre 18 godina

to Stevo,

You might be right that serbia was bombed, becouse of middle east , it was known, that through serbia, Irak got wepons from Russia , it has to be cut that way , so the Bin Laden , wold not get any Russian weapon, through serbia, sold to Irak,
That way US departament , knows very well , that serbs can never be better allies then albanians to them.

zoran janjic

pre 18 godina

now is the time to let belgrade and the provinvial leaders of kosovo province to start talking the help from the us for seperattist kosovars is now over real talks should begin to bring the pvonce in to its fold for all good people of kosovo i metohiju .

Stevo

pre 18 godina

Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where on earth it was that this place that was so "important" to American interests, ie. the interests being the continued availability of the US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on their behalf, and so on. The other "interest" is, of course, Camp Bondsteel, which the US would like to retain as a rent free military base in South East Europe so that it can render terror suspects and electronically spy on Russia. It's not as if they seriously do any peacekeeping there.

kate

pre 18 godina

A very worrying situation.
It is now clear that the best that can be hoped for through the UN are further discussions without a predetermined ending, and it seems that this won't be accepted by the Albanians in Kosovo.

On this site, there is a lot of talk about unilateral recognition but if this happens, the UK would certainly not break with Europe to support it. And the US would face a lot of internal objections to supporting such a move (from those who can see past their noses).

It is now up to the international forces in Kosovo to make everyone secure and not allow violence to erupt. There is much talk about how strong the KLA (under whatever guise) would be if it had to fight again. But who would they fight? And out of a population of 2 million there must be many who are tired of war and would be prepared to move forward without independence if they had to.

Time to stop preaching hate and war. Serbia is moving on politically, which can be seen clearly on the international stage. Kosovo can also move on with them but with guaranteed high levels of autonomy.

I was really shocked yesterday by the reaction of some people on this site to an elderly farmer being hospitalised by some teenage thugs, almost saying that he deserved it for being Serbian. Carrying on violence and hate won't help anyone move forward - there will be no positive outcome from this.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Of course is not a good idea to send russian soldiers in Kosova. First of all they have unpaid bills from their previous contingent that came first to Kosova thinking thay can have an impact.Their soldiers were poorly fed and slept in tents.Sold their AK-47 to local population among many other things that these soldiers did to survive, At some point they were working on the fields near Malishevo vicinity to make a buck.Everybody on this site claims that now is not the same russia used to be, becasue now russia is very rich and if so pay the electricity and water bills, which they owe to these Kosova companies.

teni

pre 18 godina

Funny position this on the part of the Russians: we'll try to prevent Kosovo from becoming independent, but we wash our hand of it in case there is trouble. In other the words "a dog that barks, doesn't bite". There go the Russians to the rescue!

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Of course is not a good idea to send russian soldiers in Kosova. First of all they have unpaid bills from their previous contingent that came first to Kosova thinking thay can have an impact.Their soldiers were poorly fed and slept in tents.Sold their AK-47 to local population among many other things that these soldiers did to survive, At some point they were working on the fields near Malishevo vicinity to make a buck.Everybody on this site claims that now is not the same russia used to be, becasue now russia is very rich and if so pay the electricity and water bills, which they owe to these Kosova companies.

kate

pre 18 godina

A very worrying situation.
It is now clear that the best that can be hoped for through the UN are further discussions without a predetermined ending, and it seems that this won't be accepted by the Albanians in Kosovo.

On this site, there is a lot of talk about unilateral recognition but if this happens, the UK would certainly not break with Europe to support it. And the US would face a lot of internal objections to supporting such a move (from those who can see past their noses).

It is now up to the international forces in Kosovo to make everyone secure and not allow violence to erupt. There is much talk about how strong the KLA (under whatever guise) would be if it had to fight again. But who would they fight? And out of a population of 2 million there must be many who are tired of war and would be prepared to move forward without independence if they had to.

Time to stop preaching hate and war. Serbia is moving on politically, which can be seen clearly on the international stage. Kosovo can also move on with them but with guaranteed high levels of autonomy.

I was really shocked yesterday by the reaction of some people on this site to an elderly farmer being hospitalised by some teenage thugs, almost saying that he deserved it for being Serbian. Carrying on violence and hate won't help anyone move forward - there will be no positive outcome from this.

teni

pre 18 godina

Funny position this on the part of the Russians: we'll try to prevent Kosovo from becoming independent, but we wash our hand of it in case there is trouble. In other the words "a dog that barks, doesn't bite". There go the Russians to the rescue!

Stevo

pre 18 godina

Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where on earth it was that this place that was so "important" to American interests, ie. the interests being the continued availability of the US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on their behalf, and so on. The other "interest" is, of course, Camp Bondsteel, which the US would like to retain as a rent free military base in South East Europe so that it can render terror suspects and electronically spy on Russia. It's not as if they seriously do any peacekeeping there.

zoran janjic

pre 18 godina

now is the time to let belgrade and the provinvial leaders of kosovo province to start talking the help from the us for seperattist kosovars is now over real talks should begin to bring the pvonce in to its fold for all good people of kosovo i metohiju .

teni

pre 18 godina

There is an old Albanian saying that would translate as something like this: when you burn yourself with hot soup you blow on youghurt too. This sums up the opinions of the Kosovo Albanians on Serb rule. Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned. Why should they now agree to let the Serbs to come back? Kostunica's rhetoric after all does not really inspire any confidence on the Albanians. Add to this a parliament where the Radicals control approximately 30% of the seats and you can all kiss goodbye any hopes of the Albanians agreing to go back to Serbian rule.
And Kate the KLA is stronger and better prepared then during the 1998 - 99 conflict. This however does not mean they would be able to face Serbia in pitched battles of a conventional kind, but believe me they would not just sit idly by or welcome the Serb army in. There are other ways of fighting too and I am afraid the long term result would be an extreme radicalisation of the Albanians of Kosovo. And as for the resolve of the population: well once you have tasted freedom is hard to go back.
And Kate: it is shameful when young men attack an old man regardless of their ethnicity. What I disagree with is the light in which it was portrayed, i.e. Albanians attacking Serb. In any rural societies there are plenty of conflicts of this kind over land, grazing rights and what not, and it might very well be that the guy just hapenned to be a Serb. How many Serb farmers are beaten by other Serb farmers I wonder?
And even if the "young thugs" as you called them attacked the old man because of his ethnicity, they were arrested weren't they?
Two days ago a Serb farmer in the Presevo valley fired his gun at Albanian villagers. No one really reported it in the Albanian press, although B92 did. Why? Because this sort of incidents are always gonna happen in any country in the world, however peaceful the population.

albano

pre 18 godina

to Stevo,

You might be right that serbia was bombed, becouse of middle east , it was known, that through serbia, Irak got wepons from Russia , it has to be cut that way , so the Bin Laden , wold not get any Russian weapon, through serbia, sold to Irak,
That way US departament , knows very well , that serbs can never be better allies then albanians to them.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Kate , you can speak on behlaf of serba but in way on behalf of K-Albanians. How inthe world you can say; out of 2 milion many are prepared to move forward without independence. If you are speaking for serb I beleive you, but please don't make a fulll of yourself to speak for Albaians.
P.B. What Kosova state company, You are welcome to KOSOVA and you will be able to see it with your own eye, unles you are color blind(everything will be in black and white).

Princip, UK

pre 18 godina

US seem to backing off even more in the words of McCormack - looks like they realise that empty promises are empty gestures and only lead to dissapointment so it's best not to raise false hopes!

PB

pre 18 godina

As each day goes by, it seems less and less liekly that Kosovo will become independent (even though i, as a serb, are in favour of partition). The EU who seemed inititally to support Kosovo's independence no matter how it came about, their position has shifted subtly. Even the US rhetoric recently has become very quiet. Is this the calm before the storm or is it a realisation that they can't circumvent UN law without setting a precedent for future conflicts?

I'm sure that the US will be very happy for the status quo to remain as it is as they have achieved their main objective - to secure control over Kosovo via UNMIK and NATO. As long as they can maintain a madate to be in Kosovo, independence for Kosovo will remain a distant dream whilst Serbia and Russia oppose it, and in the meantime the US can develop it's Bondsteel base.

kate

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi - Are you saying that most Albanians in Kosovo, as well as everyone else, do not want more war? I am certain that primarily people just want to live safely and in peace, and build a future for their children within Europe.

Your complete denial that Kosovo remains a legal part of Serbia, and the overall refusal to think how the highest level of autonomy will work if that's the only avenue offered, does nothing for any of the people in Kosovo.

It certainly is time to move on peacefully and teach tolerance and progressive views to the next generation. Whether independence is attained or not, this is still the case if you wish to integrate within a modern multi-ethnic Europe. The same is true for Serbia as well, and we have seen moves recently which illustrate that the government are changing things from the top downwards.

Things can change quickly if they are led from a progressive government.

james

pre 18 godina

As much as I decide not to post comments, I cannot but write when I read stuff like "Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where" and "US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on".

There is nothing true to the above statements. Only someone without any clue about all these events can go ahead and allow himself to make such ridiculous claims. What is worst even some more moderate posters when faced with irrefutable facts restore to this kind of ridiculous claims. And in the end you see this type of behavior manifest even on government officials and even church leaders that go around the world to rant about Kosovo Albanians being Islamic terrorist and what not.

Do you realize at all how ridiculous anyone making this claims sounds and looks like? Do you realize that you have switched name calling Kosovo Albanians so many times that at one point even the western politicians were confused and could not tell with whom you were having problems only to realize that all the separatists, irredentists, counterrevolutionaries, capitalist remnants, fascists remnants, terrorists, Islamic terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists and what not were all the same. Doesn't this strike you as odd?

Please understand that despite many years of these and similar ridiculous claims made by the officials of the Serb government as well as supporters of the Serb stance, none of these claims turned out to be true. Consequently, today the common Serb citizen is so much mislead about this issue that it considers it to be true and looks upon it as another hypocrisy on West behalf when it deals with Serbia regarding Kosovo. This look down and ignorance towards the Albanians in Kosovo is very prevalent, not only in the comments on this site, but as well as on the higher up's of the Serb government. It is this total ignorance of the Kosovo Albanians that has brought your country into the position that it finds itself today with respect to the Kosovo issue (with its climax being the NATO led air campaign against Serbia). This has blinded your minds and your leaders minds and therefore none of you were able to approach the issues that divided you and Kosovo Albanians in more constructive way in the past and certainly by the looks of it you wont be able to be realistic and constructive in the present and in the future.

I am amused to celebratory end euphoric comments that interpret the current diplomatic stalemate as a victory for Russia and Serbia, failing to realize that independence is being considered as the final outcome no matter whatever happens next. Even Russia is signaling that they don’t oppose independence, if they could use this solution for their own interests (territories in Georgia as one example). Additionally, what many here fail to realize is that West, that is US and EU, are not talking anymore about finding a solution that will take into consideration the interests of Serbia, but instead are more increasingly speaking about a resolution that will satisfy Russia. Serbia is on the sideline, and it is sad to see that Serb officials have accepted this, and the common people of Serbia have accepted to be mislead and to believe that Russia will protect their interests (perhaps this is another exit strategy set by Serb leaders so when Kosovo issue is settled they can go out in front of their people and blame the Russians this time).

Just to remind you in 2006 there were around $2.45 billion dollars in trade between Serbia and Russia, with a trade deficit hugely in favor of Russia (maybe those who comment on this site how Serbia chose to fight the West imperialism, only to succumb to another form of it, which is even worst in my humble opinion, should think again when making such claims). I wonder how much longer Serbia can keep up with this and who is going to pay for all this (certainly not the people running the current Serb government)?

luciano

pre 18 godina

Russia is the most important country in Europe whether Americans like myself like it or not and no infantile declarations by commentators here is going to change that fact.The Serbs and Russians have the rule of law on their sides and this is why the legalist Europeans have backed themsleves into a corner by insisting on a UNSC Resolution.The EU should write a check for $100B to Serbia and be done with it.Only thieves want something for nothing.Serbia has owned Kosovo for the past 95 years so if the EU wants it then pay up.Money talks-B......walks.

Canadien

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi you would do well to read the link provided below by the BBC so that you have a clear idea just who the Russians are! Why is it so hard for you to understand that you do NOT have independence because of RUSSIA and Serbia? Your comments about how poor and weak Russia are ridiculuos. If most Albanins share your views how do you ever expect to run a country? Slovenia said they are not interested in supporting unilateral recognition yesterday and today Montenegro said the same, and when you review the link I have included here you will also see that sooner or later Macedonia will say the same as well as Croatia, its a question of economics and security. Look at the the link and see how much France and especially Germany depends on Russian energy. Do you people every read or research anything? Or do you just get your info from Pristina cafes? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457038/html/nn2page1.stm

Zoran

pre 18 godina

I see Ahmet is still in his time capsule, you are on your own there. Russian peacekeepers? The Russians are saying it is not a good idea, they did not say no, never. Russians never show their hand prematurely. The trade deficit with Russia is mostly because of energy imports and Serbia pays below market prices for that most basic need, if that is imperialism then so be it.

Joe

pre 18 godina

Luciano,
A check for 100B from the EU. Not bad. Too bad that you did not propose it to Tadic before his trip to Brussels. I would have loved to be there as an invisible man when Tadic proposed it to Barosso. But as you know people in Brussels just love Serbia and are very eager to comply with wishes of Belgrade. So it would be worthwile to try it.

Kolja Schroder

pre 18 godina

Regarding Teni's comment that "Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned."

What happened was the 1980s, and a decade of Albanian nationalist rioting in Kosovo.

In 1983 the SFRY League of Communists told Serbia to ammend its constitution to take over law enforcement and the judiciary in Kosovo.

In 1986 the Serbian government, under the leadership of Ivan Stambolic, established a commission to amend the Serbian constitution.

In 1989 the Kosovo Assembly, which had a majority of Albanian deputies, appoved the amendments to the Serbian constitution.

After the Kosovo and Vojovodina Assemblies had approved the changes, the Serbian assembly approved them and the new constitution was in force.

I should also add that the amendments to the Serbian constitution had the full support of the government of the SFRY.

I know that Teni is implying that Kosovo's autonomy was stolen by Serbia, but that isn't what happened.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

I agree with Luciano, that serbia has owned Kosova for 95 years, actually they ruled it with iron fist but that is all on history books now. Kosova will rule itself and physicaly has been seperated since June 1999. End of story.
Russian soldiers can come only if new resolution is in place for supervised independence.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Of course is not a good idea to send russian soldiers in Kosova. First of all they have unpaid bills from their previous contingent that came first to Kosova thinking thay can have an impact.Their soldiers were poorly fed and slept in tents.Sold their AK-47 to local population among many other things that these soldiers did to survive, At some point they were working on the fields near Malishevo vicinity to make a buck.Everybody on this site claims that now is not the same russia used to be, becasue now russia is very rich and if so pay the electricity and water bills, which they owe to these Kosova companies.

kate

pre 18 godina

A very worrying situation.
It is now clear that the best that can be hoped for through the UN are further discussions without a predetermined ending, and it seems that this won't be accepted by the Albanians in Kosovo.

On this site, there is a lot of talk about unilateral recognition but if this happens, the UK would certainly not break with Europe to support it. And the US would face a lot of internal objections to supporting such a move (from those who can see past their noses).

It is now up to the international forces in Kosovo to make everyone secure and not allow violence to erupt. There is much talk about how strong the KLA (under whatever guise) would be if it had to fight again. But who would they fight? And out of a population of 2 million there must be many who are tired of war and would be prepared to move forward without independence if they had to.

Time to stop preaching hate and war. Serbia is moving on politically, which can be seen clearly on the international stage. Kosovo can also move on with them but with guaranteed high levels of autonomy.

I was really shocked yesterday by the reaction of some people on this site to an elderly farmer being hospitalised by some teenage thugs, almost saying that he deserved it for being Serbian. Carrying on violence and hate won't help anyone move forward - there will be no positive outcome from this.

teni

pre 18 godina

Funny position this on the part of the Russians: we'll try to prevent Kosovo from becoming independent, but we wash our hand of it in case there is trouble. In other the words "a dog that barks, doesn't bite". There go the Russians to the rescue!

Stevo

pre 18 godina

Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where on earth it was that this place that was so "important" to American interests, ie. the interests being the continued availability of the US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on their behalf, and so on. The other "interest" is, of course, Camp Bondsteel, which the US would like to retain as a rent free military base in South East Europe so that it can render terror suspects and electronically spy on Russia. It's not as if they seriously do any peacekeeping there.

zoran janjic

pre 18 godina

now is the time to let belgrade and the provinvial leaders of kosovo province to start talking the help from the us for seperattist kosovars is now over real talks should begin to bring the pvonce in to its fold for all good people of kosovo i metohiju .

teni

pre 18 godina

There is an old Albanian saying that would translate as something like this: when you burn yourself with hot soup you blow on youghurt too. This sums up the opinions of the Kosovo Albanians on Serb rule. Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned. Why should they now agree to let the Serbs to come back? Kostunica's rhetoric after all does not really inspire any confidence on the Albanians. Add to this a parliament where the Radicals control approximately 30% of the seats and you can all kiss goodbye any hopes of the Albanians agreing to go back to Serbian rule.
And Kate the KLA is stronger and better prepared then during the 1998 - 99 conflict. This however does not mean they would be able to face Serbia in pitched battles of a conventional kind, but believe me they would not just sit idly by or welcome the Serb army in. There are other ways of fighting too and I am afraid the long term result would be an extreme radicalisation of the Albanians of Kosovo. And as for the resolve of the population: well once you have tasted freedom is hard to go back.
And Kate: it is shameful when young men attack an old man regardless of their ethnicity. What I disagree with is the light in which it was portrayed, i.e. Albanians attacking Serb. In any rural societies there are plenty of conflicts of this kind over land, grazing rights and what not, and it might very well be that the guy just hapenned to be a Serb. How many Serb farmers are beaten by other Serb farmers I wonder?
And even if the "young thugs" as you called them attacked the old man because of his ethnicity, they were arrested weren't they?
Two days ago a Serb farmer in the Presevo valley fired his gun at Albanian villagers. No one really reported it in the Albanian press, although B92 did. Why? Because this sort of incidents are always gonna happen in any country in the world, however peaceful the population.

albano

pre 18 godina

to Stevo,

You might be right that serbia was bombed, becouse of middle east , it was known, that through serbia, Irak got wepons from Russia , it has to be cut that way , so the Bin Laden , wold not get any Russian weapon, through serbia, sold to Irak,
That way US departament , knows very well , that serbs can never be better allies then albanians to them.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

Kate , you can speak on behlaf of serba but in way on behalf of K-Albanians. How inthe world you can say; out of 2 milion many are prepared to move forward without independence. If you are speaking for serb I beleive you, but please don't make a fulll of yourself to speak for Albaians.
P.B. What Kosova state company, You are welcome to KOSOVA and you will be able to see it with your own eye, unles you are color blind(everything will be in black and white).

Princip, UK

pre 18 godina

US seem to backing off even more in the words of McCormack - looks like they realise that empty promises are empty gestures and only lead to dissapointment so it's best not to raise false hopes!

PB

pre 18 godina

As each day goes by, it seems less and less liekly that Kosovo will become independent (even though i, as a serb, are in favour of partition). The EU who seemed inititally to support Kosovo's independence no matter how it came about, their position has shifted subtly. Even the US rhetoric recently has become very quiet. Is this the calm before the storm or is it a realisation that they can't circumvent UN law without setting a precedent for future conflicts?

I'm sure that the US will be very happy for the status quo to remain as it is as they have achieved their main objective - to secure control over Kosovo via UNMIK and NATO. As long as they can maintain a madate to be in Kosovo, independence for Kosovo will remain a distant dream whilst Serbia and Russia oppose it, and in the meantime the US can develop it's Bondsteel base.

kate

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi - Are you saying that most Albanians in Kosovo, as well as everyone else, do not want more war? I am certain that primarily people just want to live safely and in peace, and build a future for their children within Europe.

Your complete denial that Kosovo remains a legal part of Serbia, and the overall refusal to think how the highest level of autonomy will work if that's the only avenue offered, does nothing for any of the people in Kosovo.

It certainly is time to move on peacefully and teach tolerance and progressive views to the next generation. Whether independence is attained or not, this is still the case if you wish to integrate within a modern multi-ethnic Europe. The same is true for Serbia as well, and we have seen moves recently which illustrate that the government are changing things from the top downwards.

Things can change quickly if they are led from a progressive government.

james

pre 18 godina

As much as I decide not to post comments, I cannot but write when I read stuff like "Kosovo was so "important" to the US that in 1999, when America started bombing Serbia so that it could support the Bin Laden-affiliated terrorist group, the KLA, that Bill Clinton made a TV address at the start of it with a map of Serbia next to him so that his citizens would know where" and "US political lobby system to accept large sums of money - even from drug-smuggling terrorists who are buddies of 9/11 poster child, Bin Laden - from non-US groups to act as their advocates, and push for wars on".

There is nothing true to the above statements. Only someone without any clue about all these events can go ahead and allow himself to make such ridiculous claims. What is worst even some more moderate posters when faced with irrefutable facts restore to this kind of ridiculous claims. And in the end you see this type of behavior manifest even on government officials and even church leaders that go around the world to rant about Kosovo Albanians being Islamic terrorist and what not.

Do you realize at all how ridiculous anyone making this claims sounds and looks like? Do you realize that you have switched name calling Kosovo Albanians so many times that at one point even the western politicians were confused and could not tell with whom you were having problems only to realize that all the separatists, irredentists, counterrevolutionaries, capitalist remnants, fascists remnants, terrorists, Islamic terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists and what not were all the same. Doesn't this strike you as odd?

Please understand that despite many years of these and similar ridiculous claims made by the officials of the Serb government as well as supporters of the Serb stance, none of these claims turned out to be true. Consequently, today the common Serb citizen is so much mislead about this issue that it considers it to be true and looks upon it as another hypocrisy on West behalf when it deals with Serbia regarding Kosovo. This look down and ignorance towards the Albanians in Kosovo is very prevalent, not only in the comments on this site, but as well as on the higher up's of the Serb government. It is this total ignorance of the Kosovo Albanians that has brought your country into the position that it finds itself today with respect to the Kosovo issue (with its climax being the NATO led air campaign against Serbia). This has blinded your minds and your leaders minds and therefore none of you were able to approach the issues that divided you and Kosovo Albanians in more constructive way in the past and certainly by the looks of it you wont be able to be realistic and constructive in the present and in the future.

I am amused to celebratory end euphoric comments that interpret the current diplomatic stalemate as a victory for Russia and Serbia, failing to realize that independence is being considered as the final outcome no matter whatever happens next. Even Russia is signaling that they don’t oppose independence, if they could use this solution for their own interests (territories in Georgia as one example). Additionally, what many here fail to realize is that West, that is US and EU, are not talking anymore about finding a solution that will take into consideration the interests of Serbia, but instead are more increasingly speaking about a resolution that will satisfy Russia. Serbia is on the sideline, and it is sad to see that Serb officials have accepted this, and the common people of Serbia have accepted to be mislead and to believe that Russia will protect their interests (perhaps this is another exit strategy set by Serb leaders so when Kosovo issue is settled they can go out in front of their people and blame the Russians this time).

Just to remind you in 2006 there were around $2.45 billion dollars in trade between Serbia and Russia, with a trade deficit hugely in favor of Russia (maybe those who comment on this site how Serbia chose to fight the West imperialism, only to succumb to another form of it, which is even worst in my humble opinion, should think again when making such claims). I wonder how much longer Serbia can keep up with this and who is going to pay for all this (certainly not the people running the current Serb government)?

luciano

pre 18 godina

Russia is the most important country in Europe whether Americans like myself like it or not and no infantile declarations by commentators here is going to change that fact.The Serbs and Russians have the rule of law on their sides and this is why the legalist Europeans have backed themsleves into a corner by insisting on a UNSC Resolution.The EU should write a check for $100B to Serbia and be done with it.Only thieves want something for nothing.Serbia has owned Kosovo for the past 95 years so if the EU wants it then pay up.Money talks-B......walks.

Canadien

pre 18 godina

Ahmet Isufi you would do well to read the link provided below by the BBC so that you have a clear idea just who the Russians are! Why is it so hard for you to understand that you do NOT have independence because of RUSSIA and Serbia? Your comments about how poor and weak Russia are ridiculuos. If most Albanins share your views how do you ever expect to run a country? Slovenia said they are not interested in supporting unilateral recognition yesterday and today Montenegro said the same, and when you review the link I have included here you will also see that sooner or later Macedonia will say the same as well as Croatia, its a question of economics and security. Look at the the link and see how much France and especially Germany depends on Russian energy. Do you people every read or research anything? Or do you just get your info from Pristina cafes? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457038/html/nn2page1.stm

Zoran

pre 18 godina

I see Ahmet is still in his time capsule, you are on your own there. Russian peacekeepers? The Russians are saying it is not a good idea, they did not say no, never. Russians never show their hand prematurely. The trade deficit with Russia is mostly because of energy imports and Serbia pays below market prices for that most basic need, if that is imperialism then so be it.

Joe

pre 18 godina

Luciano,
A check for 100B from the EU. Not bad. Too bad that you did not propose it to Tadic before his trip to Brussels. I would have loved to be there as an invisible man when Tadic proposed it to Barosso. But as you know people in Brussels just love Serbia and are very eager to comply with wishes of Belgrade. So it would be worthwile to try it.

Kolja Schroder

pre 18 godina

Regarding Teni's comment that "Kosovo had autonomy before and look what hapenned."

What happened was the 1980s, and a decade of Albanian nationalist rioting in Kosovo.

In 1983 the SFRY League of Communists told Serbia to ammend its constitution to take over law enforcement and the judiciary in Kosovo.

In 1986 the Serbian government, under the leadership of Ivan Stambolic, established a commission to amend the Serbian constitution.

In 1989 the Kosovo Assembly, which had a majority of Albanian deputies, appoved the amendments to the Serbian constitution.

After the Kosovo and Vojovodina Assemblies had approved the changes, the Serbian assembly approved them and the new constitution was in force.

I should also add that the amendments to the Serbian constitution had the full support of the government of the SFRY.

I know that Teni is implying that Kosovo's autonomy was stolen by Serbia, but that isn't what happened.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 18 godina

I agree with Luciano, that serbia has owned Kosova for 95 years, actually they ruled it with iron fist but that is all on history books now. Kosova will rule itself and physicaly has been seperated since June 1999. End of story.
Russian soldiers can come only if new resolution is in place for supervised independence.