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Tuesday, 29.08.2006.

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Koštunica: Ahtisaari’s message is clear

Vojislav Koštunica said that Martti Ahtisaari’s message is clear and that talks of context are irrelevant.

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Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

The more people read the deeply prejudiced and hateful comments by nyoutlawyer and those similar to him, the more they understand why Kosovars do not want to be a part of Serbia. And the more they will support Kosovo once it becomes independent. Cheers.

I am home

pre 19 godina

I am very sure that Mr. Ahtisaari, same as many of us in here, know which role was played by Serbian Government and also we are aware of what role was played by the Serbs in the past (somebody mentioned 500 years under Istanbul, 50 years under communism and also 10 years under Milosevic). But we are ignoring the fact that communists and also the Milosevic they were booth widely supported by the most of Serbian People (saying most, meaning always more than 80% of Serbs). But can you see that almost same politics are being supported nowadays too (read the comment suggesting to build the CONCRETE WALL around independent Kosovo). There are very often words heard, saying: WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR SCHOOLS, WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR LIFES. And still talking about living together!!! I hear and I read statements saying UN was not able to solve problems in Kosovo for 7 years and I remember that problem in Kosovo was not solved since 1945, Serbia has always been willing to rule with that part and has ignored Albanian citizens continually (but not enough is being discussed about this). They were at all the times mistreated. And the culmination was achieved when Milosevic ruled. All Albanians were kicked out from their jobs, from the schools and having seen that Albanians are still present than the major move was done, the goal to be achieved was expelling all Albanians away from Kosovo. And remember, it was not only Milosevic trying to do that, but he created the idea and the others were doing the practical part. Army, police, volunteers… I remember happenings of March (March which NEVER happened)… Demonstrations against Kostunica with subject “MARCH WHICH NEVER HAPPENED”… This March never happened for nobody and not only for Serbia.
Serbia is trying to prevent independence of Kosovo, because once it becomes independent the illegal market can not be controlled by Serbian mafia any longer (Covic was controlling the black market in Mitrovica), Serbia will have to pay for the damages done in Kosovars property… I don’t by the statement saying Kosovo will have to pay back for the public buildings because, hey Kosovo was constitutional part of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and therefore I can say that public owned property and the state owned property are not to be considered as a property belonging to Serbia.
There are a lot of issues that we could solve them better and faster but we have to be realistic when we think and when we talk about them.
Do you know that Albanians living in Yugoslavia, working and paying taxes they are left away from the pension plans, insurance plans and this is at the all times being kept and ignored by Serbian Government and also by Serbian people.
Hey, remember once forever, we were here, we are here and we will live here as we have no other place to go. This is our home you like it or not…

fauna

pre 19 godina

Build a wall?
Oh, that would be great. The Kosovars were actually planning to do that to avoid future terrorism from Serbia.
Go for it.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

...and when will the UN itself be held accountable for all the mistakes, crimes, stealing, and WASTE it has historically committed? Why do they always get a free pass? Kofi, look in the mirror first, before you and your stooges point a finger at someone else.

And yes, my blind albaniac posters, Kosovo is run by a huge mafia (and war criminals). And a mafia in the truest sense. From drugs to slavery, and everything in between. Independence will only tighten their dirty grip.

Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

Mick:
With all due respect, it is Serbia that has surrounded itself from its neighbors by a wall of ignorance -- not Kosovo. You can romanticize as much as you want about a healthy and wealthy economy and sought after schools and hospitals in Serbia. The sad fact is that Serbia is far behind its neighbors in every aspect. It is Croatia which is becoming a place everyone wants to be in, not Serbia. As far as I know, everyone wants to get out from Serbia, and find a job or educational opportunities somewhere else. And it is not because of Kosovars or other foreigners -- it is because of radicals, warmongers, and semi-educated mythmakers who control that country for a long time. Cheers.

Mick

pre 19 godina

To Serbian negotiation team:
Let them go... we don't need them in our hospitals, schools...
Why waste time, energy and people's nerves on "negotiations" which already have clearly defined outcome?
I am sure that 80+% of Serbs never been in Kosovo, so what are we going to lose? A piece of land only referenced in history books?
You'd better focus on developing our beautiful Serbia into the country with healthy and wealthy economy. Our people are inteligent, hard working (proven around the world) and government shoud focus on using this to Serbia's advantage.
So, LET THEM GO, then build a concrete wall like Israelis did

Bellapas

pre 19 godina

loking at the statement given serbian PM this conclusion results:"for all the wars, all masacres, genocide, crimes against humanity,extortion, 200 thousand bosnians,20 thousand and over milion kosovars deported and killed , for the huge economic damages to ex-yougoslavian countries, for all the pain caused to this people, we have to blame on victims, for their strives to their fundamental right to live in a peacefull, freedom and civilised life....are these guys kidding?

Draga Stojkovıc

pre 19 godina

Nıce done Mr. Ahtısaarı. We have to acknowledge our weaknesses. Kosovo ıs ındependent sınce 1999 and I do not expect any other outcome besıde the ındependence. People have to lıve ın peace and Kosovars deserve to do so. I loved Kosovo forever and I wıll love ıt as another country agaın.

David Ivanovic

pre 19 godina

As a Serb, who was never in any doubt as to his defiance of the Tito and Milosevic years of farce, I am now saddened by the governments overwhelming opportunism to jump on one very stupid and unfortunate comment by Mr. Ahtisaari. This is a man, we are told by Mr. Varma, “a lot of international experience”. The sad truth is that nobody can be a jack of all trades without being a master of none. Mr. Ahtisaari cannot possibly know any of the historical, cultural or emotional background of the Serbs struggle in Kosovo, over the last few decades alone, let alone the last few centuries. Why then are people like this being put into the process of reconstructing the lives of Serbs in Kosovo? Because our own comical governments have failed us time and time again. From the glory days of the “holy” Djindjic, to the present day political soap opera in the capital of Serbia, those individuals that we, as Serbs, trusted to make our lives better, have spent much more time trying to destroy each others credibility rather than jump head first into the deep pit of the Kosovo problem. I love my Kosovo and it pains me to see that stupid remarks like those from Mr. Ahtisaari have been born of our governments inadequacies.
May God help us all in the coming months!
David Ivanovic

Kenneth

pre 19 godina

Kosovo should be Independent? But remember "Independent" also should mean that no one has to continue to TOTALLY support this welfare state and Kosovo should have to pay Serbia for all of the buildings and property that has been stolen and sold by the KTA organization. Then the world will see first hand what "Independent" will mean to this poor area, with such intelligent people that control Kosovo. How long will it take for Kosovo to hold it's hands out to Serbia and the International community to help it remain "Independant"? The reality will be that Kosovo will quickly realize that Independance is not what Kosovo was ready for.

SinCity

pre 19 godina

Good on Martti Ahtisaari for telling it as it is.

Its time the Serbs owned up to what they have created. They only have themselves to blame.

Victoria

pre 19 godina

If Ahtisaari’s logic were applied broadly to all wrongs committed by faulty politicians, then most of the world's curren't political powers would have a hefty price to pay. Keeping with his logic therefore, we can say that the German people should remain accountable for the actions of Hitler, that Americans should be accountable for the millions of deaths that thier presidents have perpetrated and that Israilis should be held accountable for how thier government has historically treated Palestinians.

The logic that Ahtisaari has presented presumably favours Kosovo independence. So, Germany should give up a large portion of its land to Jews because of the Holocaust, America should simply cease to exist because it has committed more atrocities than any nation and Israel should give up control over the West Bank.

I wonder where the world would be today if Ahtisaari’s logic were applied more broadly. The Serbian people are not to blame and are not to be made to pay for 'wrongs' committed by one government. Ahtisaari’s comment lacks logic, reality and diplomacy. It is troubling that we have UN representatives speaking such words and beliving such ignorant ideals.

Tirons

pre 19 godina

Mr. "nyoutlawyer",
I don't understand how you can say that Kosovo is ruled by mafia. Kosovo's government has the full support of its people, and all political parties are now working together for their independent and European future. If I remember correctly weren't a Serbian Persident(Stambolic) and a Serbian Prime Minister (Djindjic) both assasinated in the past few years?? Why do you think the main culprits aren't found yet? The Zemun Clan didn't just dissappear; Marko and the Milosevic clan are still at large enjoying their dirty money; Mladic and Karadzic are still on the run. The whole mafia and political/military clique that committed the worst genocide in Europe since WWII is alive and well in Serbia! Face the reality my friend, SERBIA IS RULED BY THE MAFIA. This is why the Serbian government is not representing their people when it comes to EU membership. Instead it supposedly focuses on "keeping Kosovo" although they know that Kosovo is gone?! Think about it, if Serbia joins EU the mafia won't have that same freedom they've had so far. Mafia doesn't have a future in the EU. So, the Serbian government officials are just being good boys and doing what their mafia bosses tell them.... The question is how long will it take for the people to realize this. They'll never tell you themselves.

Martin O'Rourke

pre 19 godina

Ahtisaari is just another USA-sponsored career politician who continues down the old Clinton-era mantra that all things Serbian are bad. He is extremely prejudiced against Serbia, fact. If Kosovo is to be given to the darlings of US foreign policy, Albania, then what do they give them next? Part of Macedonia, or part of Montenegro?, or part of Greece? Seems remarkable that Europe's poorest and most corrupt country seems to be expanding its borders, or is it? Meanwhile the pathetic European Union sits back and agrees with the USA....again.

voiceofreason

pre 19 godina

The Kosovo/Serbia case has been a textbook example of how the UN can in some cases serve the interests of an intellectually-impoverished, economically-irrational and politically-short-sighted "Washington Consensus"... If, as Mr. Varma states, Ahtissari was truly acting on the notion that "historical heritage cannot be ignored," then he would not have said anything of the like - historically Albanians have done at least as much ethnic cleansing to Serbs as the other way around. I agree with nyoutlawyer that Kosovo will never be "independent" - because its only friend will be Albania, an economic black hole. The EU and US will increasingly see Kosovo as an aid-dependent, drug-peddling liability and security threat, while they proceed to exploit its natural resources and cheap (though unfortunately unskilled) labor pools. Regardless of what happens, Kosovo Albanians have to realize that getting rid of the Serbs will not get rid of any of their problems; one can only blame others for their problems for so long... Maybe a good financial package and reasonable amount of autonomy are better than going it "independent" which in this case equals "alone"...

Vladislav M.

pre 19 godina

If UN are not interested in negotiations then there is no reason for Serbia to cooperate either. I find it disturbing that UN are only interested in punishing Serbia and not solving this issue. As if Serbia had not suffered enough already after 500 years under the Turks, 50 years under the Communists and 10 years under Milosevic.

Winter Hill

pre 19 godina

The often heard argument about Mafia-ruled Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, is such a lousy cliché that no one takes it seriously anymore. The prevalence of such biased and irrational approach [Albanian criminals mafia, Serbian criminals romantic brave men] is nothing but one more reason to give Kosovo independence.

mir

pre 19 godina

It´s obvious: UN and Contact-Group support one-side solution. With this statement from Athisaari, the strategy is now only clearer then before. His appointment was already showing, how they want to finish the case. They will now create a precedence, without standards, without any historical and political background. It´s not only sad for all the people who was spelled out from Kosovo and will never have chance to come back home. It´s also sad for serbian democrats. They was arrange the regime change in Belgrade, but they don´t have anything from that. You will not find any party in serbia, who will support independence. Like in Kosovo, nobody will support to be further part of serbia. With one-side-solution UN & Contact-Group and blaming Serbia (even if Belgrade was offer many different and for my taste realistic solutions) they will create independent Kosovo. But also ruin the little democratic steps in serbia. The right-wing extremist waiting only for chance to get power. And to remind the facts: it´s not anymore Belgrade. The UN and NATO was faild to solve the problems in Kosovo in last 7 years. Especially to find solution for the minorities and econimical problems. If they now don´t give same chance for to Pristina, then to Belgrade, they will make only forced solution. And that is never a good solution...

Matt

pre 19 godina

We all know the International community feels this way and that they already made up their mind on Kosovo. We all know what the future of the Serbian people in Kosovo is and that its impossible to protect them or other non-Albanian minorities.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Serbian government is super nice to the International Community they'll let them in their super cool EU club that will probably implode by the time Serbia is allowed to join.

Just try to remember how the International community solved the Serbian problem in Croatia, I predict a similiar solution in Kosovo as well.

SAY NO TO THE EU. It won't help Serbia at all...

Zahir Pajaziti

pre 19 godina

Every country in the Balkans has its own criminal underworld. Serbia has a mafia, Albania has a mafia, Greece has a mafia, Croatia has one too. Pointing out Kosovo's mafia, makes for a very weak political argument to say the least. Now with regard to Ahtisaari's message, I beleive that the Serbian delegation is simply playing a loser's game. It is clear to them that not many options are left for them to exploit in attempting to reach their objective (Keep Kosovo in Serbia), so now they are trying to shift the focus of the discussions from Kosovo to Ahtisaari. That way, when Kosovo is declared a sovereign state at year's end, they can come out with a clear face and blame it all on Ahtisaari.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

kosovo will never be independent, even if all ties are severed with Belgrade. That place is ruled by the albanian mafia, and I don't see them leaving no matter what the status is.

M.Shanks

pre 19 godina

Comment from Ahttisari were right on the money, but if someone does not like it is to bad. Spokesperson for Secreatry General has rebuffed Serbia on this issue already and is supporting Ahttisari. Case closed.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 19 godina

It looks like the serbian team for negotiations will spend its energy for diplomatic offensive against Ahtisaari, forgetting that their goal is something else, forgetting that they should spend their energy on something much more important. Once again the serbian team is trying to take away the focus from the real problems and try to blame everything on Ahtisaari and other foreign diplomats. The serbs in general and the serbian politicians in particular should accept the mistakes made by and should face the reality. The longer the serbian team does not face the reality, the harder it will be. If you do not face the reality, then the reality will face you... I think it is time for the serbs to wake up and understand that Kostunica, Sandra Raskovic Ivic and people like them are not the right ones to represent them, because as we see, they put the focus from something important to something less important which puts the serbs in a more critical position. It seems like these serb political representatives have some personality type problems such Kostunica, Raskovic-Ivic etc...
I hope that the serb politicians finally start to tell to their own people that Kosova is gone and it will become independent. It is better to prepare the people earlier so they wont have big time stresses and pressions.I wish that the serbs relax themselves, especially in these coming months while they see Kosova become independent...
Thanks.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 19 godina

It looks like the serbian team for negotiations will spend its energy for diplomatic offensive against Ahtisaari, forgetting that their goal is something else, forgetting that they should spend their energy on something much more important. Once again the serbian team is trying to take away the focus from the real problems and try to blame everything on Ahtisaari and other foreign diplomats. The serbs in general and the serbian politicians in particular should accept the mistakes made by and should face the reality. The longer the serbian team does not face the reality, the harder it will be. If you do not face the reality, then the reality will face you... I think it is time for the serbs to wake up and understand that Kostunica, Sandra Raskovic Ivic and people like them are not the right ones to represent them, because as we see, they put the focus from something important to something less important which puts the serbs in a more critical position. It seems like these serb political representatives have some personality type problems such Kostunica, Raskovic-Ivic etc...
I hope that the serb politicians finally start to tell to their own people that Kosova is gone and it will become independent. It is better to prepare the people earlier so they wont have big time stresses and pressions.I wish that the serbs relax themselves, especially in these coming months while they see Kosova become independent...
Thanks.

M.Shanks

pre 19 godina

Comment from Ahttisari were right on the money, but if someone does not like it is to bad. Spokesperson for Secreatry General has rebuffed Serbia on this issue already and is supporting Ahttisari. Case closed.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

kosovo will never be independent, even if all ties are severed with Belgrade. That place is ruled by the albanian mafia, and I don't see them leaving no matter what the status is.

Zahir Pajaziti

pre 19 godina

Every country in the Balkans has its own criminal underworld. Serbia has a mafia, Albania has a mafia, Greece has a mafia, Croatia has one too. Pointing out Kosovo's mafia, makes for a very weak political argument to say the least. Now with regard to Ahtisaari's message, I beleive that the Serbian delegation is simply playing a loser's game. It is clear to them that not many options are left for them to exploit in attempting to reach their objective (Keep Kosovo in Serbia), so now they are trying to shift the focus of the discussions from Kosovo to Ahtisaari. That way, when Kosovo is declared a sovereign state at year's end, they can come out with a clear face and blame it all on Ahtisaari.

Matt

pre 19 godina

We all know the International community feels this way and that they already made up their mind on Kosovo. We all know what the future of the Serbian people in Kosovo is and that its impossible to protect them or other non-Albanian minorities.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Serbian government is super nice to the International Community they'll let them in their super cool EU club that will probably implode by the time Serbia is allowed to join.

Just try to remember how the International community solved the Serbian problem in Croatia, I predict a similiar solution in Kosovo as well.

SAY NO TO THE EU. It won't help Serbia at all...

mir

pre 19 godina

It´s obvious: UN and Contact-Group support one-side solution. With this statement from Athisaari, the strategy is now only clearer then before. His appointment was already showing, how they want to finish the case. They will now create a precedence, without standards, without any historical and political background. It´s not only sad for all the people who was spelled out from Kosovo and will never have chance to come back home. It´s also sad for serbian democrats. They was arrange the regime change in Belgrade, but they don´t have anything from that. You will not find any party in serbia, who will support independence. Like in Kosovo, nobody will support to be further part of serbia. With one-side-solution UN & Contact-Group and blaming Serbia (even if Belgrade was offer many different and for my taste realistic solutions) they will create independent Kosovo. But also ruin the little democratic steps in serbia. The right-wing extremist waiting only for chance to get power. And to remind the facts: it´s not anymore Belgrade. The UN and NATO was faild to solve the problems in Kosovo in last 7 years. Especially to find solution for the minorities and econimical problems. If they now don´t give same chance for to Pristina, then to Belgrade, they will make only forced solution. And that is never a good solution...

Winter Hill

pre 19 godina

The often heard argument about Mafia-ruled Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, is such a lousy cliché that no one takes it seriously anymore. The prevalence of such biased and irrational approach [Albanian criminals mafia, Serbian criminals romantic brave men] is nothing but one more reason to give Kosovo independence.

voiceofreason

pre 19 godina

The Kosovo/Serbia case has been a textbook example of how the UN can in some cases serve the interests of an intellectually-impoverished, economically-irrational and politically-short-sighted "Washington Consensus"... If, as Mr. Varma states, Ahtissari was truly acting on the notion that "historical heritage cannot be ignored," then he would not have said anything of the like - historically Albanians have done at least as much ethnic cleansing to Serbs as the other way around. I agree with nyoutlawyer that Kosovo will never be "independent" - because its only friend will be Albania, an economic black hole. The EU and US will increasingly see Kosovo as an aid-dependent, drug-peddling liability and security threat, while they proceed to exploit its natural resources and cheap (though unfortunately unskilled) labor pools. Regardless of what happens, Kosovo Albanians have to realize that getting rid of the Serbs will not get rid of any of their problems; one can only blame others for their problems for so long... Maybe a good financial package and reasonable amount of autonomy are better than going it "independent" which in this case equals "alone"...

Martin O'Rourke

pre 19 godina

Ahtisaari is just another USA-sponsored career politician who continues down the old Clinton-era mantra that all things Serbian are bad. He is extremely prejudiced against Serbia, fact. If Kosovo is to be given to the darlings of US foreign policy, Albania, then what do they give them next? Part of Macedonia, or part of Montenegro?, or part of Greece? Seems remarkable that Europe's poorest and most corrupt country seems to be expanding its borders, or is it? Meanwhile the pathetic European Union sits back and agrees with the USA....again.

Vladislav M.

pre 19 godina

If UN are not interested in negotiations then there is no reason for Serbia to cooperate either. I find it disturbing that UN are only interested in punishing Serbia and not solving this issue. As if Serbia had not suffered enough already after 500 years under the Turks, 50 years under the Communists and 10 years under Milosevic.

Tirons

pre 19 godina

Mr. "nyoutlawyer",
I don't understand how you can say that Kosovo is ruled by mafia. Kosovo's government has the full support of its people, and all political parties are now working together for their independent and European future. If I remember correctly weren't a Serbian Persident(Stambolic) and a Serbian Prime Minister (Djindjic) both assasinated in the past few years?? Why do you think the main culprits aren't found yet? The Zemun Clan didn't just dissappear; Marko and the Milosevic clan are still at large enjoying their dirty money; Mladic and Karadzic are still on the run. The whole mafia and political/military clique that committed the worst genocide in Europe since WWII is alive and well in Serbia! Face the reality my friend, SERBIA IS RULED BY THE MAFIA. This is why the Serbian government is not representing their people when it comes to EU membership. Instead it supposedly focuses on "keeping Kosovo" although they know that Kosovo is gone?! Think about it, if Serbia joins EU the mafia won't have that same freedom they've had so far. Mafia doesn't have a future in the EU. So, the Serbian government officials are just being good boys and doing what their mafia bosses tell them.... The question is how long will it take for the people to realize this. They'll never tell you themselves.

Victoria

pre 19 godina

If Ahtisaari’s logic were applied broadly to all wrongs committed by faulty politicians, then most of the world's curren't political powers would have a hefty price to pay. Keeping with his logic therefore, we can say that the German people should remain accountable for the actions of Hitler, that Americans should be accountable for the millions of deaths that thier presidents have perpetrated and that Israilis should be held accountable for how thier government has historically treated Palestinians.

The logic that Ahtisaari has presented presumably favours Kosovo independence. So, Germany should give up a large portion of its land to Jews because of the Holocaust, America should simply cease to exist because it has committed more atrocities than any nation and Israel should give up control over the West Bank.

I wonder where the world would be today if Ahtisaari’s logic were applied more broadly. The Serbian people are not to blame and are not to be made to pay for 'wrongs' committed by one government. Ahtisaari’s comment lacks logic, reality and diplomacy. It is troubling that we have UN representatives speaking such words and beliving such ignorant ideals.

SinCity

pre 19 godina

Good on Martti Ahtisaari for telling it as it is.

Its time the Serbs owned up to what they have created. They only have themselves to blame.

Kenneth

pre 19 godina

Kosovo should be Independent? But remember "Independent" also should mean that no one has to continue to TOTALLY support this welfare state and Kosovo should have to pay Serbia for all of the buildings and property that has been stolen and sold by the KTA organization. Then the world will see first hand what "Independent" will mean to this poor area, with such intelligent people that control Kosovo. How long will it take for Kosovo to hold it's hands out to Serbia and the International community to help it remain "Independant"? The reality will be that Kosovo will quickly realize that Independance is not what Kosovo was ready for.

David Ivanovic

pre 19 godina

As a Serb, who was never in any doubt as to his defiance of the Tito and Milosevic years of farce, I am now saddened by the governments overwhelming opportunism to jump on one very stupid and unfortunate comment by Mr. Ahtisaari. This is a man, we are told by Mr. Varma, “a lot of international experience”. The sad truth is that nobody can be a jack of all trades without being a master of none. Mr. Ahtisaari cannot possibly know any of the historical, cultural or emotional background of the Serbs struggle in Kosovo, over the last few decades alone, let alone the last few centuries. Why then are people like this being put into the process of reconstructing the lives of Serbs in Kosovo? Because our own comical governments have failed us time and time again. From the glory days of the “holy” Djindjic, to the present day political soap opera in the capital of Serbia, those individuals that we, as Serbs, trusted to make our lives better, have spent much more time trying to destroy each others credibility rather than jump head first into the deep pit of the Kosovo problem. I love my Kosovo and it pains me to see that stupid remarks like those from Mr. Ahtisaari have been born of our governments inadequacies.
May God help us all in the coming months!
David Ivanovic

Bellapas

pre 19 godina

loking at the statement given serbian PM this conclusion results:"for all the wars, all masacres, genocide, crimes against humanity,extortion, 200 thousand bosnians,20 thousand and over milion kosovars deported and killed , for the huge economic damages to ex-yougoslavian countries, for all the pain caused to this people, we have to blame on victims, for their strives to their fundamental right to live in a peacefull, freedom and civilised life....are these guys kidding?

Draga Stojkovıc

pre 19 godina

Nıce done Mr. Ahtısaarı. We have to acknowledge our weaknesses. Kosovo ıs ındependent sınce 1999 and I do not expect any other outcome besıde the ındependence. People have to lıve ın peace and Kosovars deserve to do so. I loved Kosovo forever and I wıll love ıt as another country agaın.

Mick

pre 19 godina

To Serbian negotiation team:
Let them go... we don't need them in our hospitals, schools...
Why waste time, energy and people's nerves on "negotiations" which already have clearly defined outcome?
I am sure that 80+% of Serbs never been in Kosovo, so what are we going to lose? A piece of land only referenced in history books?
You'd better focus on developing our beautiful Serbia into the country with healthy and wealthy economy. Our people are inteligent, hard working (proven around the world) and government shoud focus on using this to Serbia's advantage.
So, LET THEM GO, then build a concrete wall like Israelis did

Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

Mick:
With all due respect, it is Serbia that has surrounded itself from its neighbors by a wall of ignorance -- not Kosovo. You can romanticize as much as you want about a healthy and wealthy economy and sought after schools and hospitals in Serbia. The sad fact is that Serbia is far behind its neighbors in every aspect. It is Croatia which is becoming a place everyone wants to be in, not Serbia. As far as I know, everyone wants to get out from Serbia, and find a job or educational opportunities somewhere else. And it is not because of Kosovars or other foreigners -- it is because of radicals, warmongers, and semi-educated mythmakers who control that country for a long time. Cheers.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

...and when will the UN itself be held accountable for all the mistakes, crimes, stealing, and WASTE it has historically committed? Why do they always get a free pass? Kofi, look in the mirror first, before you and your stooges point a finger at someone else.

And yes, my blind albaniac posters, Kosovo is run by a huge mafia (and war criminals). And a mafia in the truest sense. From drugs to slavery, and everything in between. Independence will only tighten their dirty grip.

fauna

pre 19 godina

Build a wall?
Oh, that would be great. The Kosovars were actually planning to do that to avoid future terrorism from Serbia.
Go for it.

I am home

pre 19 godina

I am very sure that Mr. Ahtisaari, same as many of us in here, know which role was played by Serbian Government and also we are aware of what role was played by the Serbs in the past (somebody mentioned 500 years under Istanbul, 50 years under communism and also 10 years under Milosevic). But we are ignoring the fact that communists and also the Milosevic they were booth widely supported by the most of Serbian People (saying most, meaning always more than 80% of Serbs). But can you see that almost same politics are being supported nowadays too (read the comment suggesting to build the CONCRETE WALL around independent Kosovo). There are very often words heard, saying: WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR SCHOOLS, WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR LIFES. And still talking about living together!!! I hear and I read statements saying UN was not able to solve problems in Kosovo for 7 years and I remember that problem in Kosovo was not solved since 1945, Serbia has always been willing to rule with that part and has ignored Albanian citizens continually (but not enough is being discussed about this). They were at all the times mistreated. And the culmination was achieved when Milosevic ruled. All Albanians were kicked out from their jobs, from the schools and having seen that Albanians are still present than the major move was done, the goal to be achieved was expelling all Albanians away from Kosovo. And remember, it was not only Milosevic trying to do that, but he created the idea and the others were doing the practical part. Army, police, volunteers… I remember happenings of March (March which NEVER happened)… Demonstrations against Kostunica with subject “MARCH WHICH NEVER HAPPENED”… This March never happened for nobody and not only for Serbia.
Serbia is trying to prevent independence of Kosovo, because once it becomes independent the illegal market can not be controlled by Serbian mafia any longer (Covic was controlling the black market in Mitrovica), Serbia will have to pay for the damages done in Kosovars property… I don’t by the statement saying Kosovo will have to pay back for the public buildings because, hey Kosovo was constitutional part of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and therefore I can say that public owned property and the state owned property are not to be considered as a property belonging to Serbia.
There are a lot of issues that we could solve them better and faster but we have to be realistic when we think and when we talk about them.
Do you know that Albanians living in Yugoslavia, working and paying taxes they are left away from the pension plans, insurance plans and this is at the all times being kept and ignored by Serbian Government and also by Serbian people.
Hey, remember once forever, we were here, we are here and we will live here as we have no other place to go. This is our home you like it or not…

Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

The more people read the deeply prejudiced and hateful comments by nyoutlawyer and those similar to him, the more they understand why Kosovars do not want to be a part of Serbia. And the more they will support Kosovo once it becomes independent. Cheers.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 19 godina

It looks like the serbian team for negotiations will spend its energy for diplomatic offensive against Ahtisaari, forgetting that their goal is something else, forgetting that they should spend their energy on something much more important. Once again the serbian team is trying to take away the focus from the real problems and try to blame everything on Ahtisaari and other foreign diplomats. The serbs in general and the serbian politicians in particular should accept the mistakes made by and should face the reality. The longer the serbian team does not face the reality, the harder it will be. If you do not face the reality, then the reality will face you... I think it is time for the serbs to wake up and understand that Kostunica, Sandra Raskovic Ivic and people like them are not the right ones to represent them, because as we see, they put the focus from something important to something less important which puts the serbs in a more critical position. It seems like these serb political representatives have some personality type problems such Kostunica, Raskovic-Ivic etc...
I hope that the serb politicians finally start to tell to their own people that Kosova is gone and it will become independent. It is better to prepare the people earlier so they wont have big time stresses and pressions.I wish that the serbs relax themselves, especially in these coming months while they see Kosova become independent...
Thanks.

M.Shanks

pre 19 godina

Comment from Ahttisari were right on the money, but if someone does not like it is to bad. Spokesperson for Secreatry General has rebuffed Serbia on this issue already and is supporting Ahttisari. Case closed.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

kosovo will never be independent, even if all ties are severed with Belgrade. That place is ruled by the albanian mafia, and I don't see them leaving no matter what the status is.

Zahir Pajaziti

pre 19 godina

Every country in the Balkans has its own criminal underworld. Serbia has a mafia, Albania has a mafia, Greece has a mafia, Croatia has one too. Pointing out Kosovo's mafia, makes for a very weak political argument to say the least. Now with regard to Ahtisaari's message, I beleive that the Serbian delegation is simply playing a loser's game. It is clear to them that not many options are left for them to exploit in attempting to reach their objective (Keep Kosovo in Serbia), so now they are trying to shift the focus of the discussions from Kosovo to Ahtisaari. That way, when Kosovo is declared a sovereign state at year's end, they can come out with a clear face and blame it all on Ahtisaari.

Matt

pre 19 godina

We all know the International community feels this way and that they already made up their mind on Kosovo. We all know what the future of the Serbian people in Kosovo is and that its impossible to protect them or other non-Albanian minorities.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Serbian government is super nice to the International Community they'll let them in their super cool EU club that will probably implode by the time Serbia is allowed to join.

Just try to remember how the International community solved the Serbian problem in Croatia, I predict a similiar solution in Kosovo as well.

SAY NO TO THE EU. It won't help Serbia at all...

mir

pre 19 godina

It´s obvious: UN and Contact-Group support one-side solution. With this statement from Athisaari, the strategy is now only clearer then before. His appointment was already showing, how they want to finish the case. They will now create a precedence, without standards, without any historical and political background. It´s not only sad for all the people who was spelled out from Kosovo and will never have chance to come back home. It´s also sad for serbian democrats. They was arrange the regime change in Belgrade, but they don´t have anything from that. You will not find any party in serbia, who will support independence. Like in Kosovo, nobody will support to be further part of serbia. With one-side-solution UN & Contact-Group and blaming Serbia (even if Belgrade was offer many different and for my taste realistic solutions) they will create independent Kosovo. But also ruin the little democratic steps in serbia. The right-wing extremist waiting only for chance to get power. And to remind the facts: it´s not anymore Belgrade. The UN and NATO was faild to solve the problems in Kosovo in last 7 years. Especially to find solution for the minorities and econimical problems. If they now don´t give same chance for to Pristina, then to Belgrade, they will make only forced solution. And that is never a good solution...

Winter Hill

pre 19 godina

The often heard argument about Mafia-ruled Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, is such a lousy cliché that no one takes it seriously anymore. The prevalence of such biased and irrational approach [Albanian criminals mafia, Serbian criminals romantic brave men] is nothing but one more reason to give Kosovo independence.

voiceofreason

pre 19 godina

The Kosovo/Serbia case has been a textbook example of how the UN can in some cases serve the interests of an intellectually-impoverished, economically-irrational and politically-short-sighted "Washington Consensus"... If, as Mr. Varma states, Ahtissari was truly acting on the notion that "historical heritage cannot be ignored," then he would not have said anything of the like - historically Albanians have done at least as much ethnic cleansing to Serbs as the other way around. I agree with nyoutlawyer that Kosovo will never be "independent" - because its only friend will be Albania, an economic black hole. The EU and US will increasingly see Kosovo as an aid-dependent, drug-peddling liability and security threat, while they proceed to exploit its natural resources and cheap (though unfortunately unskilled) labor pools. Regardless of what happens, Kosovo Albanians have to realize that getting rid of the Serbs will not get rid of any of their problems; one can only blame others for their problems for so long... Maybe a good financial package and reasonable amount of autonomy are better than going it "independent" which in this case equals "alone"...

Martin O'Rourke

pre 19 godina

Ahtisaari is just another USA-sponsored career politician who continues down the old Clinton-era mantra that all things Serbian are bad. He is extremely prejudiced against Serbia, fact. If Kosovo is to be given to the darlings of US foreign policy, Albania, then what do they give them next? Part of Macedonia, or part of Montenegro?, or part of Greece? Seems remarkable that Europe's poorest and most corrupt country seems to be expanding its borders, or is it? Meanwhile the pathetic European Union sits back and agrees with the USA....again.

Vladislav M.

pre 19 godina

If UN are not interested in negotiations then there is no reason for Serbia to cooperate either. I find it disturbing that UN are only interested in punishing Serbia and not solving this issue. As if Serbia had not suffered enough already after 500 years under the Turks, 50 years under the Communists and 10 years under Milosevic.

Tirons

pre 19 godina

Mr. "nyoutlawyer",
I don't understand how you can say that Kosovo is ruled by mafia. Kosovo's government has the full support of its people, and all political parties are now working together for their independent and European future. If I remember correctly weren't a Serbian Persident(Stambolic) and a Serbian Prime Minister (Djindjic) both assasinated in the past few years?? Why do you think the main culprits aren't found yet? The Zemun Clan didn't just dissappear; Marko and the Milosevic clan are still at large enjoying their dirty money; Mladic and Karadzic are still on the run. The whole mafia and political/military clique that committed the worst genocide in Europe since WWII is alive and well in Serbia! Face the reality my friend, SERBIA IS RULED BY THE MAFIA. This is why the Serbian government is not representing their people when it comes to EU membership. Instead it supposedly focuses on "keeping Kosovo" although they know that Kosovo is gone?! Think about it, if Serbia joins EU the mafia won't have that same freedom they've had so far. Mafia doesn't have a future in the EU. So, the Serbian government officials are just being good boys and doing what their mafia bosses tell them.... The question is how long will it take for the people to realize this. They'll never tell you themselves.

Victoria

pre 19 godina

If Ahtisaari’s logic were applied broadly to all wrongs committed by faulty politicians, then most of the world's curren't political powers would have a hefty price to pay. Keeping with his logic therefore, we can say that the German people should remain accountable for the actions of Hitler, that Americans should be accountable for the millions of deaths that thier presidents have perpetrated and that Israilis should be held accountable for how thier government has historically treated Palestinians.

The logic that Ahtisaari has presented presumably favours Kosovo independence. So, Germany should give up a large portion of its land to Jews because of the Holocaust, America should simply cease to exist because it has committed more atrocities than any nation and Israel should give up control over the West Bank.

I wonder where the world would be today if Ahtisaari’s logic were applied more broadly. The Serbian people are not to blame and are not to be made to pay for 'wrongs' committed by one government. Ahtisaari’s comment lacks logic, reality and diplomacy. It is troubling that we have UN representatives speaking such words and beliving such ignorant ideals.

SinCity

pre 19 godina

Good on Martti Ahtisaari for telling it as it is.

Its time the Serbs owned up to what they have created. They only have themselves to blame.

Kenneth

pre 19 godina

Kosovo should be Independent? But remember "Independent" also should mean that no one has to continue to TOTALLY support this welfare state and Kosovo should have to pay Serbia for all of the buildings and property that has been stolen and sold by the KTA organization. Then the world will see first hand what "Independent" will mean to this poor area, with such intelligent people that control Kosovo. How long will it take for Kosovo to hold it's hands out to Serbia and the International community to help it remain "Independant"? The reality will be that Kosovo will quickly realize that Independance is not what Kosovo was ready for.

David Ivanovic

pre 19 godina

As a Serb, who was never in any doubt as to his defiance of the Tito and Milosevic years of farce, I am now saddened by the governments overwhelming opportunism to jump on one very stupid and unfortunate comment by Mr. Ahtisaari. This is a man, we are told by Mr. Varma, “a lot of international experience”. The sad truth is that nobody can be a jack of all trades without being a master of none. Mr. Ahtisaari cannot possibly know any of the historical, cultural or emotional background of the Serbs struggle in Kosovo, over the last few decades alone, let alone the last few centuries. Why then are people like this being put into the process of reconstructing the lives of Serbs in Kosovo? Because our own comical governments have failed us time and time again. From the glory days of the “holy” Djindjic, to the present day political soap opera in the capital of Serbia, those individuals that we, as Serbs, trusted to make our lives better, have spent much more time trying to destroy each others credibility rather than jump head first into the deep pit of the Kosovo problem. I love my Kosovo and it pains me to see that stupid remarks like those from Mr. Ahtisaari have been born of our governments inadequacies.
May God help us all in the coming months!
David Ivanovic

Bellapas

pre 19 godina

loking at the statement given serbian PM this conclusion results:"for all the wars, all masacres, genocide, crimes against humanity,extortion, 200 thousand bosnians,20 thousand and over milion kosovars deported and killed , for the huge economic damages to ex-yougoslavian countries, for all the pain caused to this people, we have to blame on victims, for their strives to their fundamental right to live in a peacefull, freedom and civilised life....are these guys kidding?

Draga Stojkovıc

pre 19 godina

Nıce done Mr. Ahtısaarı. We have to acknowledge our weaknesses. Kosovo ıs ındependent sınce 1999 and I do not expect any other outcome besıde the ındependence. People have to lıve ın peace and Kosovars deserve to do so. I loved Kosovo forever and I wıll love ıt as another country agaın.

Mick

pre 19 godina

To Serbian negotiation team:
Let them go... we don't need them in our hospitals, schools...
Why waste time, energy and people's nerves on "negotiations" which already have clearly defined outcome?
I am sure that 80+% of Serbs never been in Kosovo, so what are we going to lose? A piece of land only referenced in history books?
You'd better focus on developing our beautiful Serbia into the country with healthy and wealthy economy. Our people are inteligent, hard working (proven around the world) and government shoud focus on using this to Serbia's advantage.
So, LET THEM GO, then build a concrete wall like Israelis did

Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

Mick:
With all due respect, it is Serbia that has surrounded itself from its neighbors by a wall of ignorance -- not Kosovo. You can romanticize as much as you want about a healthy and wealthy economy and sought after schools and hospitals in Serbia. The sad fact is that Serbia is far behind its neighbors in every aspect. It is Croatia which is becoming a place everyone wants to be in, not Serbia. As far as I know, everyone wants to get out from Serbia, and find a job or educational opportunities somewhere else. And it is not because of Kosovars or other foreigners -- it is because of radicals, warmongers, and semi-educated mythmakers who control that country for a long time. Cheers.

nyoutlawyer

pre 19 godina

...and when will the UN itself be held accountable for all the mistakes, crimes, stealing, and WASTE it has historically committed? Why do they always get a free pass? Kofi, look in the mirror first, before you and your stooges point a finger at someone else.

And yes, my blind albaniac posters, Kosovo is run by a huge mafia (and war criminals). And a mafia in the truest sense. From drugs to slavery, and everything in between. Independence will only tighten their dirty grip.

fauna

pre 19 godina

Build a wall?
Oh, that would be great. The Kosovars were actually planning to do that to avoid future terrorism from Serbia.
Go for it.

I am home

pre 19 godina

I am very sure that Mr. Ahtisaari, same as many of us in here, know which role was played by Serbian Government and also we are aware of what role was played by the Serbs in the past (somebody mentioned 500 years under Istanbul, 50 years under communism and also 10 years under Milosevic). But we are ignoring the fact that communists and also the Milosevic they were booth widely supported by the most of Serbian People (saying most, meaning always more than 80% of Serbs). But can you see that almost same politics are being supported nowadays too (read the comment suggesting to build the CONCRETE WALL around independent Kosovo). There are very often words heard, saying: WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR SCHOOLS, WE DON’T WANT THEM (ALBANIANS) IN OUR LIFES. And still talking about living together!!! I hear and I read statements saying UN was not able to solve problems in Kosovo for 7 years and I remember that problem in Kosovo was not solved since 1945, Serbia has always been willing to rule with that part and has ignored Albanian citizens continually (but not enough is being discussed about this). They were at all the times mistreated. And the culmination was achieved when Milosevic ruled. All Albanians were kicked out from their jobs, from the schools and having seen that Albanians are still present than the major move was done, the goal to be achieved was expelling all Albanians away from Kosovo. And remember, it was not only Milosevic trying to do that, but he created the idea and the others were doing the practical part. Army, police, volunteers… I remember happenings of March (March which NEVER happened)… Demonstrations against Kostunica with subject “MARCH WHICH NEVER HAPPENED”… This March never happened for nobody and not only for Serbia.
Serbia is trying to prevent independence of Kosovo, because once it becomes independent the illegal market can not be controlled by Serbian mafia any longer (Covic was controlling the black market in Mitrovica), Serbia will have to pay for the damages done in Kosovars property… I don’t by the statement saying Kosovo will have to pay back for the public buildings because, hey Kosovo was constitutional part of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and therefore I can say that public owned property and the state owned property are not to be considered as a property belonging to Serbia.
There are a lot of issues that we could solve them better and faster but we have to be realistic when we think and when we talk about them.
Do you know that Albanians living in Yugoslavia, working and paying taxes they are left away from the pension plans, insurance plans and this is at the all times being kept and ignored by Serbian Government and also by Serbian people.
Hey, remember once forever, we were here, we are here and we will live here as we have no other place to go. This is our home you like it or not…

Bosnawi

pre 19 godina

The more people read the deeply prejudiced and hateful comments by nyoutlawyer and those similar to him, the more they understand why Kosovars do not want to be a part of Serbia. And the more they will support Kosovo once it becomes independent. Cheers.