1. Language does not define ones ethnicity, if for example an Albanian couple migrate to America and decide to not teach their children Albanian, does this mean there children are no longer ethnically Albanian? And by the same token just because Macedonians adopted a Slavic language doesn’t make them any more Slavic, then an Irishman or a Scotsman or Welshman who can only speak English is an ethnic Englishman
    (Latin-Macedonian, 10 April 2017 08:29)

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  2. HELLENIC : August Heisenberg, German Historian

    Since 1380 Rus when Constantine I made Tsargrad his capitol (Con's Stan) Rus khans\sultans directly ruled Byzantine till 1923. But the "Greeks" became Brahmans of the empire. Christianity gave birth to all world religions such as Islam, Judaism, Induism, Buddhism ect. All of them were transformed many times. In 1185 Emperor of the Byzantine Andronic I Comnenos aka Great Prince Andrey Bogoljubsky aka Andrew The Apostle was crusified. Greeks gave him name of the Crusified Prophet that we call Jesus Christ now. His mother was a Rus Princes Maria Galitskaya from the White Horde of Galitsk Kostromskoy. Their wedding process of 1152 is well documented in many Byzantine and Rus sources. The young Sevastocratos Isaak I Komnenos and his young wife spent their honeymoon in Rus and went to Byzantine to bear a child in the special Porphirius hall but she delivered the boy on December 25. It happened in a cave in Palestine (Crimea). The news became known and it dissapointed the Emperor Manuil II who intended to pass power not to his brother's son but to his own son Alexis. So he ordered to kill the newborn. Therefore Maria and Isaak (Joseph) had to run back to Egypt aka Rus where they lived till he was invited to the throne of Byzantine in 1182. All those things have well documental support while the Germans wrote the current false history of the Greeks only after 1926.

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  3. HELLENIC : "...the Byzantine Empire was the Christianised Roman empire of the Greek nation..."

    It's very close to what I think but we must verify the terminology to be sure if we talk about the samehings. Byzantine of the Romeys stopped to exist in 1267 when Rus friendly Neacea seized Jerusalem/Tsargrad. In Russian sources they are mentioned as a Greek dynasty but there were no nations before 17 century. Just because it was a caste society and there was no need in nations. Of course people spoke their local languages but they never formed peoples and nations before the fall of the great Rus-Roman-Mongol empire in 1613. There were ethnic groups on which basis much later separate nations were formed. But before that there were no Greeks, no Rus, no Serbs, no Chinese, no Indians, no Brits ect. The world was dominated by the Slavs who permanently fought one another even during the single empire that has ever existed in the history. So when you talk about the Greeks you better use word Romeys. It was them who formed the first empire in Alexandria. But in 10-11 century they moved to Bosphorus establishing Tsargrad-Jerusalem onthe Asian side. But after Jesus was crusified in 1185 their Rus colonies (fems) rebelled and seized Tsargrad in 1204. It put an end to the Byzantine in 1267. But the "Greeks" still played a significant role in religion. Their Dionisius cult (of Fish) was transformed into Christianity that initially was the Slavic cult of the Sun.
    (rote, 9 April 2017 08:47)

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  4. It's not their fault that after burning 160 churches and monasteries in Kosovo some Shqiprats dare to call themselves Orthodox plus also Albanians. You may call yourself a Marsian but it will not make an Albanian aka White Hordian. And it's not you business how your neighbors identify themselves. Especially if you look at the heavy problems of self identification that your ethnos is facing.

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    Let me tell you something

    Those 160 serbian churches that got destroyed/ vandalised
    If they were serbian mosques... They would still have been targeted in the same fashion.
    (Skifteri, 7 April 2017 06:40)

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  5. It makes you wonder what the Macedonians have ever done for the hate and bleeding Hypocrisy I see here
    Macedonians are fighting for their Country and Freedom
    Macedonians are not going away
    Albanians in Macedonia have Civil Rights in Macedonia not seen in any Country in the World
    but it’s never about that is it
    (Sam, 7 April 2017 00:16)

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  6. Rote once again I must educate you.

    "Slav Macedonia" does have a very sizable and significant Indigenous ALBANIAN-Shqiptare population currently under Slav Occupation.

    Go by their total population of 2 million we number at least 40%.

    Western half was amputated from the Motherland to satisfy hungry Slavs as in Yugoslavia...

    We support either equality which I doubt is possible or outright equitable division of co habitat assets and fair geographic split.

    The name has to go to the dustbin of history where Yugoslavia is now.....
    (Azir, 6 April 2017 23:36)

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  7. ROTE @

    I love it when you try making sense of things you don't understand ;-)
    (HELLENIC SWORD, 6 April 2017 22:30)

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  8. ROTE @

    Besides presenting your ridiculous SLAVIC "inventingism" (you invent things at will), you wondered where were the Greeks between the 3rd and the 10th c. AD. They were exactly where they are now and they did something more than that:

    August Heisenberg, German Historian
    … "...the Byzantine Empire was the Christianised Roman empire of the Greek nation..."

    You people are so ridiculous that one feels the cold of stepping down to your educational status, only to answer to this mixture of useen delusions & ridiculous lies of yours.
    You're really sad...
    (HELLENIC SWORD, 6 April 2017 21:51)

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  9. ROTE@

    1.
    Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, "Macedonian Redux", p.259 …
    … "...The 20th century development of the so-called 'Macedonian ethnicity', and its evoloution into independent statehood following the collapse of Yugoslavia in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of the Balkan history and politics, the so-called ethnic 'macedonians' who have had no history, NEEDED ONE..."

    2.
    Prof. Denko Maleski, FYROMacadonia's ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Skopje, FYROM
    "...The creation of the 'Macedonian' nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. That is to say, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the 'Macedonian' historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the 'Macedonian' identity was CREATED..."
    (HELLENIC SWORD, 6 April 2017 21:47)

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  10. Azir

    Slavic Macedonians may sound insulting because it supposes that there are also some other non-Slavic Macedonians. It runs to a zugzwang situation I think. I am very upset as both Greeks and Macedonians are very close to my heart.
    (rote, 6 April 2017 19:55)

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  11. Ethnic Bulgarian rejects making believe they are Ancient Greek-Macedonians are " insulted" on being called Slavic-Macedonians.

    Are they insulted because they are calling themselves Macedonians ?

    Or are they insulted or ashamed of being Slavs.

    The entire world knows for sure they are not Greeks.

    Does the truth " insult" them?

    Allergic to reality as the Serbs are??

    To bad.
    (Azir, 6 April 2017 16:16)

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  12. You are either albanian or serboslav. No exeptions!
    (blablabla 1999, 5 April 2017 11:39)

    As you must know the oryginal Agent 007 was a Serb. So this Voivodina is a self appointed Serb and self appointed Agent 007. Nobody else believes that he has ever seen a Serb but he is stubborn enough to prolong the comedy. In fact he is the stupidest of the Sqhiptars ... if you don't mind of course !
    (rote, 6 April 2017 08:23)

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  13. By the way "Slav" is not an ethnic group, it's a language group, the DNA of ethnic Macedonians is closer to Greeks than to Russians according to the National Geographic Gene project
    (blackcactus, 5 April 2017 16:21)

    Russians are not ethalon Slavs after so many years of wars and migrations. Main Slavic happlogroups are R1a, R1b , I1 and I2/ If you put them together all Slavs are Slavs including the Romanians, Moldovans, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latfians, Gagauz, Kirgyz, Kazah, Uigur, Persians, Germans, Brits, Spanish, French, Americans ect.
    (rote, 6 April 2017 08:15)

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  14. Albanian Orthodox : I call them bulgarians and they shouldnt be insulted. There is no macedonian entity. Today fyrom as whole world knows is just a artificial entity when ethnic albanians and bulgarians lives. Its not the albanian fault this bulgarians have gone insane calling themselves Macedonians. Tomorrow they may call themselvs Marsians.

    It's not their fault that after burning 160 churches and monasteries in Kosovo some Shqiprats dare to call themselves Orthodox plus also Albanians. You may call yourself a Marsian but it will not make an Albanian aka White Hordian. And it's not you business how your neighbors identify themselves. Especially if you look at the heavy problems of self identification that your ethnos is facing.

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  15. Now Spartans were slavic?
    (HELLENIC SWORD)

    I love the Greek but your real history was very different in it every piece. Strange Peloponesse Wars when interests of Sparta (SP-ARTA) remain unclear. They had problems with control of their peasants and were not interested in any wealth. Then why the hell did they launched wars against the Athens? Please tell me.

    Another question is why there are documents, coins oe even graves of the Greek in 3-10 centuries and why Athen is vanishing from history for centuries?

    You write a lot about the 300 Spartans and the Greek victories over the Persians but why there are no documents from the Persian side? It was a very advanced empire with grammar and multiple literate and historical documents to survive. But the have no even mentioning of the Greeks ...

    Another problem is Alexander who was first mentioned after the Byzantine Patriarch Bessarion flew to Rome in late 15 century and began to call for a Crusader war against the Rus Sultans. His manuscripts are in open access in Vatican library and they contain remarks of Bessarion where he wrote about the parallels of the biographies of Alexander and Mehmet II. Never before Alexander had been mentioned anywhere - all your history is false !

    This Greek nation is very young and was formed in 19 century. Ottoman monuments were exposed as Greek and people like Heinrich Schliemann have created your current history.

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  16. Being a slav is insulting ?
    (Dalmat, 6 April 2017 04:24)

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  17. Holland as we know acted quickly
    when an Diplomat with responsibly and a guest acts and behaves like this
    the Door and a boot should be shown no questions asked
    the rules are very clear

    New Zealand recently booted the US ambassador
    come to think of it the US Ambassador to Macedonia Bailey long ago should have been removed from his post and denied entry to Macedonia for his interference in Macedonian Politics that go far beyond his role
    again Macedonia is too nice not acceptable
    dont accept others disrespecting you in your own house PERIOD!
    (Sam, 6 April 2017 00:42)

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  18. ROTE@
    ROFLMAO! Now Spartans were slavic? Strange....I don't remember Boris I of Sparta. lol
    (HELLENIC SWORD, 5 April 2017 23:29)

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  19. I call them bulgarians and they shouldnt be insulted. There is no macedonian entity. Today fyrom as whole world knows is just a artificial entity when ethnic albanians and bulgarians lives. Its not the albanian fault this bulgarians have gone insane calling themselves Macedonians. Tomorrow they may call themselvs Marsians. The real problem here is do these two populations want to live together? Past, present and probably the future will tell they dont want so its insane to keep this lab state. There is no need for war a nice dialogue can solve things.
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  20. They are ashamed to be called slavs. Since they stole the name of their country from a greek province then they should call themselves greek-macedonians.
    (Mark, 5 April 2017 19:37)

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  21. Not good enough Macedonia just not good enough
    remove him from his post and sanction him
    no body has the right to act and behave like that especially a Diplomat on Macedonian soil
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  22. Victory the albanians who live in macedonia are gegs or ghegs? How do you pronounce gheg with "h" in dhiaspora? G and then heg? You know I keep laughing don't you? @ Rote there are many disgraces to a people but such a diagrace as poor Dragan's one cant be easily found elsewhere.
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  23. The term "Slav" has been used by those particularly in Greece to deny ethnic Macedonians a place in the balkans, they are understandably annoyed when it's used, just call them "ethnic Macedonian" as in "ethnic Albanian", job done

    By the way "Slav" is not an ethnic group, it's a language group, the DNA of ethnic Macedonians is closer to Greeks than to Russians according to the National Geographic Gene project
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  24. Vojvodina

    What is an albanian speaking "serbian"?

    You are either albanian or serboslav. No exeptions!
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  25. Slavovojvodinac,

    How do you distinguish between an Albanian-speaking Serbian and a Serbian speaking Serbian?

    Do you call the Serbians "Slavoserbians"?
    (Macedonian, 4 April 2017 16:41)

    I am not a fascist. Serbian-speaking Serbians and Albanian-speaking Serbians are one and the same to me. We have more similarities than differences, and the warmongering politicians are the only reason why we don't live in peace and unity.
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  26. explain to me please , without any anger or sarcasm
    (Confused)

    Greeks as we know them today were first formed in early 19 century. It was then that their current language appeared. Strange as it is the new language wasn't alike the mediaeval Greek as one could expect. Quite the opposite it was like the so called "ancient Greek" written parallel to the modern Greek. All because in the historical (meadiaeval) Greek there were too many Slavisms. So it contradicted their new history written for the by the Oldenburgs ruled by the Queen Victoria then. Greeks were religious unity that also included Slavs, Shqiptars, Caucasians and of course the ancestors of the current Greeks. So when the runaway Patriarch of Byzantine began to write about the gloriuos Alexander he exposed him as a Greek commaner. In a way he was right because most of the Slavs belonged to the Greek Belief as Christianity was called in the mediaeval times. And so was Alexander aka Mehmet II aka Mihail Tverskoy. Greeks could not fight Yugoslavia so their protest was low. But now they feel strong enough to strike the Macedonians torn apart by it other neighbors. Read Gramota of Alexander to the Slavs to understand that he could be only Slav.

    ГРАМОТА АЛЕКСАНДРА МАКЕДОНСКОГО СЛАВЯНАМ

    «Мы, Александр, сын верховного бога Юпитера на небе и Филиппа, короля Македонского на земле, повелитель мира от восхода до захода Солнца и от полудня до полночи ...

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  27. you have to change your name to "albanec"
    (Albanian American)

    I use this nick after I was irritated some including you. Using this name I am to show you that I am the only Albanian on this forum. Others Slavs call themselves anything but Albanians. Shqiptars too were part of the Albanian world although a very small part of it. Guess the Shqiptare is the most presice definition of your young ethnos and there's nothing insulting in it. Greater part of the nations were formed in 19-21 centuries. But the main Albanian here is rote. Find a single argument to mind it.
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  28. Balkans do not want to know their own history. You all were part of the Great Horde since 1318 when St.George (Danilovic) aka Gengis Khan invaded Europe from the Balkans. The peninsula was part of the Beli Svet (White World) since then. Later when his younger brother Ivan Danilovic (Vati Can, Karl the Great, Calif ect.) seized the rest of the continent and invaded Africa and Asia the Black World was marked south of the Mediterranien and the Caspian. Since 15 century when second capitol appeared in Stanbul the Black World was submitted to it. So the Balkan peoples were directly involved in everything that happened in Australia, Asia, Africa and both of Americas where most important toponimals stil have open Slavic or Turkic (not Turkish!) roots. But people on this forum hate to step outside their national legends. Before 16 century none of the Sultans lived outside Russia and they called themselves Padishahs and later Shah in Shahs always adding word Khan in the end.

    Another problem is that even less you know about the Misr Sultanate that was as strong as the Ottomans and several times defeated them. Misr Sultanate is known in Europe as Egypt but nobody in the regions has ever used this word. In every language there both Cairo and Egypt are still called Misr. It was ruled by the Rus Kurds (Kossack Orde) and then by the Rus Mamelukes who controlled half of Africa, Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia with Medina and Mecca. But you hate to hear about it all.
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  29. Aren't they Slav? Where is the insult?
    (moisi, 5 April 2017 07:19)

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  30. whats offensive about being called a Slav. they should all have dna tests under UN supervision. if they don't test as Slavs we refrain from calling them Slavs. if they test positive as Slavs then the name stays and they re brand their country as Slavic Macedonia. they speak Slavic, they look Slavic, they act Slav, so the odds that they will test non Slavic are against them. good luck former Yugoslav of Macedonia in your cultural pursuits.
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  31. To contextualize the comment, one could take it one of two ways. First, it could be interpreted as an insult to a country that is very protective of their identity when it comes to relations with Greece. Second, it could be a differentiation of the Slavic people in Macedonia (i.e., ethnic Macedonians). If I saw the Albanian version I'd figure it out.
    (ManFromMountains, 5 April 2017 01:50)

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  32. Can any so-called macedonian explain to me please , without any anger or sarcasm , what exactly going on with identity, language, etc,etc? Thanks
    (Confused, 4 April 2017 23:01)

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  33. (АЛБАНЕЦ, 4 April 2017 21:34)

    You are embarrassing yourself with "rote" that's why you have to change your name to "albanec"
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  34. So if "Slav" is insulting, how do we differentiate between the Macedonian-speaking Macedonians and the Albanian-speaking ones?
    (Vojvodina, 4 April 2017 14:46)

    ЗАКРОЙ СВОЮ ШКИПТАРСКУЮ ХЛЕБОРЕЗКУ !
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  35. Ok but Slavs is what they are. Im with the Albanians on this one. At least they dont have an identity crisis. FYROM has spent last two decades antagonizing Greece and Serbia. But when half the country joins Greater Albania, Alexander the Great wont come back to save you. Probably because he has no idea who you people are and why you are claiming him.
    (Ari Gold, 4 April 2017 22:34)

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  36. Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin),

    OK what language do the macedonians speak then ?
    (Shkupi, 4 April 2017 21:35)

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  37. Since when the term "slav" is insulting!? Do slav macedonians believe they are spartans? You migrated down south from russia!
    (John, 4 April 2017 20:02)

    Spartans were Slavs of the Great Slavic Horde. S-P-arta = s-Porta that gave name to the Great Porta of the Rus Ottomans. Spartans were Rus Cossacks who arranged the Olimpics between the wars. Who else could fight as good as our ancestors ? Nobody didand the Macedonians were part of us the Spartans! Rus word орда = род = рать = рада = рота has reflected abroad as arta = horde = urdu = ordo = rata ect. One thing you are right WORD SLAV IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN INSULTING.
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  38. Slav and Macedonians are two proudest synonymos that can in no way be insulting. Albanian and Macedonian have the same Rus basis inside. Two great Rus rivers (Oka and Volga) where the Rus civilization was formed were both interpreted as White Rivers. It is the heart of the famous Albania (place of the Whites) and M-ak-e don-ia (white river) ... Ak\Ok is the Rus/Tatar for WHITE while Don is the old Rus word for RIVER. Thus Albania of the Rjurikovici was located exactly between the two White Rivers of Volga (Valga, Balga, Belga) and that's why all Balkan (White Khan) peoples including the Macedonians were called Bolgars (Belgars, Volgars). Guess Serbs were Volgars/Bolgars too only they came from the upper Volga in Yaroslavl (Veliki Novgorod) or Tver near Belarus where Neman River runs.

    It is absurd to contradict the two words with the same Rus roots. Most likely future sultan Mehmet II (aka Prophet Mohammad aka Michail Tverskoy aka Tamerlane aka Iskandar ul-Ahad ect.) attacked Tsar Grad from Macedonia. That's why he called the city Stan Bulgar and the central part - Halkidon = Halk-i Don = People of the River. Macedonians are pure Rus Slavs with a glorious history while Alexander was first mentioned only in late 15 century when former patriarch of Byzantine flew to Vatican (Bati Can) and tried to arrange a Crusader war against the Rus in Stan Bul. He took biography of Mehmet II and called him Alexander of the White River. Bessarion was a Greek ...
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  39. FYROM existing is insulting.
    (Avni, 4 April 2017 20:23)

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  40. Since when the term "slav" is insulting!? Do slav macedonians believe they are spartans? You migrated down south from russia!
    (John, 4 April 2017 20:02)

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  41. from Albania: Most of northern Europe speak a Germanic language (including my own country)... that does NOT make us Germans. The same principle applies to those speaking a Slavic language. The term "Slavic Macedonians" is ridiculous.
    (Tony (a Brit currently working in Berlin), 4 April 2017 19:14)

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  42. Slavovojvodinac,

    How do you distinguish between an Albanian-speaking Serbian and a Serbian speaking Serbian?

    Do you call the Serbians "Slavoserbians"?
    (Macedonian, 4 April 2017 16:41)

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  43. So if "Slav" is insulting, how do we differentiate between the Macedonian-speaking Macedonians and the Albanian-speaking ones?
    (Vojvodina, 4 April 2017 14:46)

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  44. Tirana : sllavo-maqedon, insulting
    Bulgaria: it's my language , insulting
    Serbia: my church , insulting
    Greece: my name , insulting
    Together: our territory , insulting
    Stop insulting everybody fake macedonians
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  45. Well the term "macedonian" for the skopians is insulting for the greeks.So what else can we do? You speak a slavic language so you are slavs.
    (from Albania, 4 April 2017 14:25)

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